Ocean cities

[JonBailey]

At our current state, global warming is on the rise, sea levels and temperatures are on the rise, land is becoming scarce, and population continues to rise. It is without a doubt that parts along the coasts, including the Everglades, parts of New York City, and New Orleans all face the threat of becoming submerged by ever increasing sea levels.

At the same time we are running out of land and the population of the globe continues to grow. Cities are running out of places to expand and with urban sprawl farm land is declining. At the same time massive deforestation efforts are taking place to make way for entirely new cities.

Almost, if not more than, 70% of the globe is covered by oceans.

Why is it that we have not tried to explore the possiblity of building new structures and mega-cities in the oceans? Unless the human population plans to move to another planet, we are looking at running out of space. At the same time we have not yet developed cities which rise from the depths of the oceans.

What would be the consequences of building skyscrapers in the ocean?
Building mega-cities, and doing it right from the start, in the oceans, to relieve strains we are putting on the land?

This is an open invitiation to get a discussion going about the development of mega-cities and skyscrapers in the oceans.

[csintexas]

I think there have been a few efforts in that area. There is basically a big cruise ship that is being sold as condo's that millionaires can live in. Lot's of people live in house boats.

I think we would be better off fixing our problems than moving to the sea.

[P.C.]

My argument is more challancing --- who say the sea will rise ?

As far as I know no measures , no prove is there, that the sea has yet rissen ; and why shuld they , the earth as a ball with a more liquid than solid core, why shuld it not happen, that the intire globe just become bigger --- and the waters fall. Think about it, unless you been over informed in one particular direction , then fact is that the measures of sea level show a lower sea level now than 50 years ago ; you just don't hear about this as it is science , dry figures and not at all what keep you in a limited understanding, of both the earth but also the sun and planets ; what is acturly inside these, and why so much nonsense are said about these things. ------ Just remember that 100 years ago there was hot red Iron inside the earth, then someone wondered why no rust came out of the vulcano's, --- then the exlanation changed into that there are an inner solid iron core and molten iron around, nonsense there are anti matter there, and matter form on the surface, that way the earth grow all the time and earthquake are made by that fact. These techtonic plates are there with growing gabs inbetween them , in the middle of the atlantic ocean are one main one that can be "seen" , and where it was, new sea bed are formed --- from what I ask ? Then the "other end" of these plates are said to push against eachother and form the mountains, nonsense why shuld that continue and new sea bed form all the time, no .
The sun shuld be same matter as the planets, the planets small bubbles of sun matter, then lhy are the sun obviously pich-black inside looking thru the sun spots, why is it millions of degree's warm inside and only a few thousands on the surface if not, if not that mean a self sustainable bubble of anti matter producing matter in the form of hydrogen, and hydrogen and helium as the only matter that can ecape this huge masses of the sun, where inside the earth all sorts of matter can form, --- why are there everywhere these layers, Anyway ---- I don't belive the sea will rise , I think it will fall and the globe just become bigger see, it is not Solid inside.

[JonBailey]

p.c., you bring up a very interesting point and one that I had also thought about. It is also said that the sea levels and climate change are, on average, normal when you look back through our planets history.

House boats weren't exactly what I was referring to...

However, what I am more interested in is looking at the skyscraper typology in the sea. Yes, we have to fix the problems here on land first, but what then after that? Look further into the future --what then happens to our farm lands and forests when the global population doubles and triples? More and more people are living in urban environments, but do we continue to take up more land for our cities, or do we use some of the 70% of the ocean that covers our globe?

[djswan]

Oh boy, here we go again. Always thinking of something new to place our achitectural garbage. Can't we just clean up what we got on land first? Do something first with the offshore oil rigs.

Ahhhh, Think of the ocean like a big septic tank. It is still working because of circulation.

Think of the ice caps as a hour glass. If the ice disappears so does the circulation. Some of the big extinctions were caused by the ocean current stopping. An asteroid got the dinosaurs, it's a much better way to go.

So you have a bunch of crap in the ocean. The current stops. Bacteria fill the void. Release methane and sulfer and kill a bunch of living organisms. Or so science says.

We are in the middle of an extinction. Design something for that.

Derek

[P.C.]

The house boat call is not the right one that's a fact. Listen I lived in house boats for 30 realy 29 years , and the perspective is not positive, boats are made for sailing houses for living , it's as simple as that.

[P.C.]

That don't mean I say it's not swell , with a fancy riverboat, a genuine dutch chanal barge rebuild into true trend architecture, in 3dh that make wonder ships at row boat cost , but, I simply think it is limited, what you can place and service even, even you build a fleet of ideal survival vessels , and proberly for a shorter period even bind it together to form a floating town , allow it to propell itself be pover routed into a specific posision, to form a particular pattern, of float bridges and survival hulls aswell as having what others might think as an ugly box , -- but not with 3dh, there you allway's will find something that atleast look fancy. House boats still is best enjoyed after the sailors have washen the decks and sung their songs, not as a replacement for a family house ,and no, I think it's a bad idea, to make the house floating by making it into a barge ; it will harm more people in it's rush down the hill acting as a marooned vessel without rudder or pover, then other solutions are avaible.
Now I don't say these things shuld not happen or that it is only bad, you can have 10 cosy accomodating house boats, but you can not have a thousand.

[JonBailey]

... It is still working because of circulation.

Im not talking about cluttering the entire ocean with skyscrapers, but could you not keep circulation still? and use it to our advantage to create power that would drive the structure?

[djswan]

It's a possiblity. But and it's a big BUT, There is consequences to every action. Looked at what our actions have done to the planet so far.

Eventually we are going to be forced to engineer the entire planet. If we last that long. Shine the apple you have first.


Derek

[P.C.]

Exactly ; all trouble man had , was Apples.

[djswan]

Thanks for that. So True.

[lekizz]

People have been reclaiming 'land' from the oceans for hundreds of years - think of the Netherlands for example, a lot of which is, in theory, sea bed. Hong Kong International Airport is located on a massive offshore artificial island.

To build on reclaimed land, I can understand that (where land is scarce/valuable), but to build skyscrapers on the ocean floor, well, that seems completely daft. The ocean bottoms are a hostile place for man.

[ahmeds]

That's is what is going on in Dubai several big projects have been done on reclaimed land and others are still coming up

[P.C.]

Guess it is as possible as building these huge bridges. But costs will be astronmic --- unless ofcaurse these are combined with bridges case anyone realy want to live on an oil rig only overlooking the next highrise a kilometer away , offcaurse that don't ask protected waters, but not before land is so overcrowded and then, then I wonder if it will be buildings not islands.

Now that we know, islands made from sunken ships hulls ,that worked for centuries but buildings alone,-- well maybe one or two and not far from shore, maybe becaurse the building site will be cheap , maybe when a town want to make landfill , then at some time the highrise that was first build in the ocean will be on dry land.

Guess I just wanted to say that I think it would be realistic, but increadible expensive.

[csintexas]

When I said we need to fix our current problems, one of them I had in mind was ever expanding population. We would be much better off as a whole if the Earth had half as many humans.

The sea is not a good place to build. If current projections are correct all the new islands off Dubia and the Tokyo airport will be underwater in a hundred years. If our goal is to have more open land for farming we simply need to increase the density of our cities.