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LeeHwong
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 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: Hyperboloid structures - Shukhov and Gaudi |
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Who was the first to use Hyperboloid structures? Shukhov or Gaudi?
The Wikipedia reads it was Vladimir Shukhov.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperboloid_structures
Is it true?
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LeeHwong
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: Many thanks |
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Many thanks for the book and the site in German.
What books in English can be found about Shukhov?
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Landy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: wow! |
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Gaudí or Shukov= Gaudí without a doubt. My visit to Barcelona was of significant importance because I saw the "Sagrada Familia" cathedral and gazed at his apartment building in Barcelona. In a "ugly" city like Barcelona Gaudi's work definitely makes a stand. It is something new to me(Sukov) and of course we should know more of such individuals that do not make it to the star system. But I believe that such accomplishments by Shukov are part of spam constructivism and not something that underscores spam architecture, like Melnikov.
best regards
LM |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| There may also be examples of hyperbolic paraboloids in vernacular construction, possibly for example in the roof structures of the Galde houses of Indonesia. |
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Landy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Are you stating that Vladimir Shukhov was the manager for individuals like Konstantin Melnikov? Please, if possible use hyperlinks that are either English, Spanish, Italian or French.
pd
my experience collaborating with spam colleagues has been great! |
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LeeHwong
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: Many thanks |
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| Many thanks for the new links. |
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rustream
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: english book about Shukhov |
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Read the book with the information about Shukhov in English:
"Architecture in the Twentieth Century", Peter Gossel and Gabriele Leuthauser, ISBN: 3822890561, Publisher: Taschen America Llc - Published Date: 07/01/1999 |
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Landy
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: wow |
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'Arkhitektura i mnimosti' I am totaly impressed on Nataly's diligent research. Thank you for the links, now I am aware of just how complex architectural thought is in the collective memory of many spam. Please if "Elizabeth Cooper" offers the content on chapter 1.1 to 1.3 of her PH.D on Shukhov online reply to this post.
best regards
LM |
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LeeHwong
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rustream
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Serjmoscow
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| Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: Shukhov is Great!!! |
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I visited Australia and several countries in Europe but didn't see anything like the Shukhov Tower in Moscow. I adore it. This is a brilliant idea about using a hyperboloid structure. It makes the tower look so graceful.
Shukhov also designed the lattice roof bars of the GUM store in the center of Moscow (the upper trade lines). And they are amazing!
spam should be proud that this genius was their compatriot! |
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LeeHwong
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a_landa
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Gaudi's early designs with the hyperbolic paraboloid |
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Posters have mentioned Gaudi's use of the hyperboloid in the Sagrada Familia. He also started to use it sparingly in a few other designs before then:
In the palacio Guell, there is one set of interior columns along the main facade with hyperbolic capitals. Also, it appears that the crown of the the famous parabolic vault is a hyperboloid.
The vault of one of the stables at the finca Guell (now the catedra Gaudi) appears to be a hyperboloid.
There is one unique column of sorts in the parc Guell that is a hyperboloid.
Also, in the Sagrada Familia, there are a few places on the nativity facade - a design not equated with Gaudi's ruled-surface design, where the hyperboloid crops up. All around the scene with the pelican, there are numberous examples (including the basket held by one of the figures). There is a hyperboloid adding structural stability to the cypress tree (by connecting it to the bridge). And finally, the "bishop's mitre" spires are capped with hyperboloids.
I hope you find these examples interesting.
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Alberto |
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solidred
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| I worked on a design for an Airport Terminal building in Iran based on parabolic hyperboloids. Two of them intersecting, as it happens. There was some pretty interesting stuff going on on the intersection line. Early days using CAD suggested a jaggy intersection line but, when I drew detail wire meshes by hand (with the sort of straight diagonals you'll see on these 'curvy' towers) the intersection was paraboloid. Curious, huh? |
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rustream
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