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Richard Haut
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Berlusconi puts Berlusconi first.
You dont get it, do you ? The shooting had a strange result. The left wingers in Italy - especially their journalists - have always hated the Italian police and security forces - especially the senior officers.
Now we have a State Funeral for one of Italys top cops - the very image of what they detest; a security cop - and he gave his life protecting a left wing pacifist journalist.
So instead of being open and honest (even if he doesnt want to be), Dubya and his gang just mutter some lies and platitudes.
Congratulations Donald - Italy is now unified - the notion of Patria has returned.
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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In re "Arab-looking" terrorists: any bets that the next big assault on American soil would/will be carried out by Caucasian inductees, armed, trained and aided by foriegn-born terrorists? With all the anti-Arab hysteria after the last attack(s), wouldn't that just be a logical adjustment?
If those terror groups wanted to attack France, they could easily recruit at least a few innocent-looking right-wing Americans, couldn't they? (Heh-heh)
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Donald
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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KM, of course McVeigh & company were right-wing nuts. The world has plenty of them, just as there are at least as many (I would say more) left-wing nuts.
What the McVeigh-al Qaeda connection illustrated is, once more, that bad people ally with other bad people against common enemies. One more illustration of why the State Department and CIA crew, who insisted that al Qaeda never allied with Saddam, and that the Sunni Wannabbis would never ally with the Iranian mullahs, are totally wrong.
That is precisely why draining the swamps, beginning with Iraq, is a critical element of a successful war against terrorists. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| And since some terrorists are Americans, do you think we should be "draining the swamps" in the U.S., too? (I'm not sure what that term is a euphemism for.) How about racial profiling of people with western European ancestry? |
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Architorture
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are you claiming the US doesn't take a strong position against domestic caucasian terrorists?
i would think the killings of the mother and husband of the chicago judge last week would demonstrate strong actions are taken against fringe groups who have an agenda against the US within its borders...
extreme right wing groups have always been targeted by the US...they more or less have been the only focus of the ATF since the mafia has become less of a center piece in domestic law enforcement...
i don't think you can say that right wing groups haven't been prosecuted or sought out... the biggest thing the Patriot Act has done thus far was the capture of that one right wing guy in texas a couple of years ago who had 2 storage units filled with automatic weapons and pipe bombs and was looking to buy some anthrax...
i think its pretty ridiculous to claim that no actions are taken against citizens who wish for the destruction of the rule of law in the united states
the big difference is that groups within the US made up of US citizens walk a fine line using 'freedom of speech[expression]' as a balance
as for al queda in the US...the FBI and CIA came out today claiming there are no active cells on US soil... although it seems terrorist groups are attempting to gain access to our intelligence communities |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Given that so few independent facts are available, Architorture, what is the basis or point of your speculations on this topic? Is speculation in the absense of sound information anything much more than projection?
What are you projecting? |
it is just a curiousity is all.. i'm not saying it is indicative of one thing or the other... just that it would seem that if it were riddled with bullets and full of blood that you would see the picture splashed all over il manifesto, or at least people saying 'look at the car'
and if it weren't riddled with bullets and most of the damage appeared to be aimed at the engine block then you would think the americans would be showing it off saying "look, we were obviously shooting at the engine block"
the lack of either seems odd... |
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Good points all torture, and look how the Chicago case turned out after learning last evening that the whitesupremistgroup had nothing to do with the murder of the judges family members.....nothing at all.....maybe? I post one case agains the Islamic terrorist group and if it includes white, black or indifferent muslims, profile away with the sources that keep them at bay....western European ancesters included!
Remember who the media represents over in Iraq....and if it doesn't fit the template, they won't be showing anything that smacks of good news for our military or Bush....plain and simple, and you are correct, it just doesn't make any sense at all not to show the car. |
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Kevin
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Architorture, if you read back through the thread I think you can see what I was responding to, without having to guess (inaccurately) about it. The subject in the thread at that point was basically "Arab-looking terrorists".
If I were going to "claim" something, you'd know it - you wouldn't have to guess. And please don't guess. (If it is unclear, then ask.)
What I was responding to specifically was Donald's racist posting that largely equated Arabs with terrorism, speaking in favor of racial profiling, with lines like:
| Donald wrote: | | Using a person of Middle Eastern decent to portray a terrorist is like using a tall person to portray an NBA center. |
I think that the actual history of domestic terrorism commited by white guys shows directly that Donald's equation is fallacious.
More generally, it seems that domestic aspects of terrorism are glossed over in Donald's rants, and in many other contemporary conversations.
So I provided some references to remind us of that sometimes-overlooked but all-too-real dimension.
(BTW, when too many subjects are thrown around too fast in a thread, it tends to break down constructive communication.)
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Architorture
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b/c of the above i often times think some of your responses kevin are to what can no longer be read...my apologies if i took your statement incorrectly...
i still don't think i understand your angle on it though... it seems most domestic right wing terrorists do fit a particular MO... malitias, racism, ect ect that seems to be the calling card with them
i just saw tim mcveigh and it peeked my curiosity... in high school i actually live only about 20 minutes from his house and one of my best friends was his neighbor...so through him i've actually heard alot about mcveigh that never made the papers... |
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The membership of the Axisofweesels has now officially grown by one. The government of Italy has announced that they are pulling out of Iraq and bringing their troops home. This of course comes on the heels of the shooting at the checkpoint involving their communist journalist hostage whose freedom they bought. How disappointing.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/03/15/italy.iraq/
They had said their troops would stay, but now they have buckled under to hypnotizing force of Islamic terrorism. They have joined their fellow Euro-Weanies in Spain in throwing in the towel. That's too bad.
When the chips are down, you find out who your friends are. Unfortunately, Italy doesn't want to defend freedom anymore. |
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Richard Haut
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Italy - and Bulgaria, Ukraine, Holland and Poland.
Even those who are staying are not all too heavily involved - Moldova and Norway have under a dozen soldiers each (as in twelve people) in Iraq.
Never mind you still have the Brits and the Israelis. Well, the Israelis are not there officially, but you know what I mean.
I suspect that your attitude to the Italians is very similar to the way Bush behaved towards them.
Interesting to consider how Italian Americans like having their Old Country insulted and one of its most senior officers murdered. One can only guess at what they would do to a President of the US who really upset them.
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Donald
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Yes I also heard that johnny will come marching home with the rest of them too, once the Iraqi's have learned to defend for themselves....which should come any month now....right?
And thanks for mentioning some of our other allies...maybe you too are considering America's allies, as a "coalition of the coerced and the bribed"? That would be nations like Great Britain, Poland, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark, El Salvador, Australia, and others — allies that deserve the respect of all Americans and Brits alike. Of course to the left no international coalition is legitimate without full participation of the AxisofWeesels. |
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Richard Haut
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maybe the Italians understood the depth of your respect - and that is why they are pulling out.
others are leaving, or about to leave - and still others have a few troops there while they take steps to defend themselves against you.
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