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Kevin
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Donald
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Great past posts torture! A+ for research and doing your homework! ...as I do believe you have done the research backing your opinion, and you have now begun to test the taste of the DCF template.....well done, and touche'. Of course we will all do our best to be the "responsible good designer" of now and in the future building design, nobody said we weren't going to be, so not to worry about the threats tossed your way....but that won't fix the problem at the helm of our peak oil days ahead....just like the solar panel and water barrel days wasn't the solution during Iran Contra days, when Oil prices were peaking in the late 70's.
Where was I this past weekend?
Walking in the park and wondering how long it would take before our gasoline prices hit $2.50/gallon....amazing weekend, clear and beautiful weather, and a great day to be alive........ANWR or Bust! |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| The big hyped-up Oil Crisis was in 1973, and the Iran/Contra secret sponsorship of terrorists by the U.S. (Reagan administration) was in the 1980s. |
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SDR
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:49 am Post subject: Cantwell amendment today may decide fate of Arctic refuge |
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The senate is likely to decide this today, March 15, 2005, via the "Cantwell amendement" to pull ANWR from the budget resolution, both to save the wildlife refuge, and because such sneak attacks are a rotten approach to democracy.
Right now is a critical moment for preserving "this magnificent wilderness, its giant, intact ecosystem with hundreds of animal species, including birds that migrate to every other state in the union, and the cultural survival of Gwich'in people that depend on the 130,000 caribou that migrate each year through their villages."
If you ever call your senator to tell them how you feel, and if you care about ANWR, this is the time.
From SDR's New York Times link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/opinion/15tue1.html?th
"What this country needs is an energy strategy worthy of the enormous energy-related problems it faces: global warming, soaring energy costs and dependency on Middle East oil among them. Opening up the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drill for oil and gas is not such a strategy. Yet that is the road the Bush administration is headed down once again.
"At the administration's request, Senate Republicans have put a drilling provision into a budget resolution that could be voted on this week. Since budget resolutions can't be filibustered, Republicans need only a simple majority, 51 votes, to open up a wilderness that has been off limits to commercial exploitation since the Carter administration.
"That tactic has not worked in the past. The Republicans came close in 1995, passing a budget with a drilling provision in it that President Bill Clinton vetoed, precipitating a government shutdown. They think they have the votes again this year, and this time they have a president only too eager to sign it."
"...Where Ms. Norton sees undisturbed tundra, they see hundreds of miles of pipelines, roads and drilling platforms, which would fragment wildlife habitats and corrupt a wilderness that, according to recent polls, a majority of Americans wish to leave undisturbed. We have expressed such reservations ourselves. But what troubles us most about President Bush's fixation on drilling is what it says about the shallowness of his energy policy.
"The numbers tell the story. The United States Geological Survey's best guess is that even at today's record-high prices - in excess of $50 a barrel - just under 7 billion barrels could profitably be brought to market. That's less than the 7.3 billion barrels this country now consumes in a year. At peak production - about 1 million barrels a day in 2020 or 2025 - the refuge would supply less than 4 percent of the country's projected daily needs.
"Any number of modest efficiencies could achieve the same result without threatening the refuge. Simply closing the so-called S.U.V. loophole - making light trucks as efficient over all as ordinary cars - would save a million barrels a day. Increasing fuel-economy standards for cars by about 50 percent, to 40 miles per gallon, a perfectly reasonable expectation, would save 2.5 million barrels a day. And bipartisan commissions have offered even bigger ideas: tax credits to help automakers produce a whole new generation of fuel-efficient cars, for instance, or an aggressive biofuels program that would seek to replace one-quarter of the gasoline we use for cars with substitutes from agricultural products.
"These programs would yield benefits - less dependency on foreign sources, a decrease in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere - long after the last drop of oil had been extracted from the refuge." |
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Donald
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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The Bush administration wants to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska (ANWR.) Gale Norton, the Secretary of the Interior, says it's time for a little common sense on the issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/14/opinion/14norton.html |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Do me a favor, Donald, and please post only the direct URL. Super long URLs including encoded authoirzation info without spaces cause web pages to stretch out of proportion. Thanks. |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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indeed...scrolling down is one thing... i don't have a little wheel to help me scroll over  |
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SDR
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I get this on other phpBB v2 boards I visit. I can't identify what causes it. I would think there was a way to block that from happening, or an easy way for the webmaster/host to correct it, case-by-case. . .no?
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Donald
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Agreed KM and to start us off on the right track in here, lets try this one that comes straight off from:
www.ANWR.org
where you can find some of the myths of ANWR here:
http://www.anwr.org/features/pdfs/myths-flyer3.pdf
or, see how long your state might last with ANWR oil powering it ....varies from state to state so its not cumulative, but still gives some insight as to how much oil somes states require over others:
http://www.anwr.org/archives/ANWRHowLong.pdf
That first fact about replacing our import oil from Saudi for the next thirty years got my interest up....not the total solution, but sure sounds good on paper as an oil insurance policy. Who know's it could be more once we start poking around up there....look at how Prudhoe Bay started out in its projections, and where we are today in capacity...and not quite tapped out yet.
We'll see how the congress vote goes and where it takes us by weeks end....it does look like at this time we will get enough votes (51% majority) to get the go ahead to start exploration drilling....1002 bill and 1003 bills need to be voted in first...baby steps at a time we will achieve ANWR black gold or bust! We've been waiting on this for 24 years, and can wait till end of week to see it move forward. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations, to those who wish them.
SDR
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Donald
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Can we now go back to my original post title, that you so freely changed: "ANWR or Bust?"....it appears it will now improve the fireside chat ratings for you KM! |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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As Senator Cantwell pointed out today, much or all of the AWNR oil, if it is indeed extracted, is likely to be sold on international markets for higher prices, and never touch the lower 48 states.
So how long it could 'power a state for' is rather an ironic bit of silly propaganda. |
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