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Camanne
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Architorture
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Richard Haut
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what an intriguing building.
Koolhaas has tried very hard - beautiful filtered natural light and the use of graphics in the interiors are wonderful, and yet ...........
he has tried too hard. At one and the same time the swirling floors and bright colours are too complex, too contradictory, while the use of the supermarket-type book stacks give an institutional - a sinking - feeling.
rather like a meal where the chef has put too many flavours together and yet still has a hint of the blandness that they were trying to avoid. Maybe it is the excess of interior 'flavours' that give emphasis to the uninteresting - even off-putting - row upon row of bookshelves.
as for the exterior - impressive it may be, but 'friendly' it is not.
Architorture is right - and I think that the building will "date" very badly.
maybe I just prefer harmong to disharmony.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: judgement |
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| Is it possible to fairly judge a building from photographs and drawings? |
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Richard Haut
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"Is it possible to fairly judge a building from photographs and drawings?"
Is it the same as a detailed view of seeing the building itself ? No, but it has to be possible to form a view.
Otherwise - for example - competition entries could not be considered at all.
The French students wanted to know the impressions that people have; those are my impressions.
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SDR
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: RH |
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Point taken. And, thanks for a consistently high standard of writing. (I realize not all correspondents here are native users of English, but it seems that many don't take the time to proof their work before posting.)
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P.C.
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Hi
Quite a 3D/HoneyComb aproach ---- anyone want to comment on that?
It seem to work here don't it.
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P.C.
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What I mean is, that now for years you jokers rather been looking for the scam of it, made all sorts of fun supported the dirty words and looked away, exersised the noble social rules, and then first time somthing that obviously show somthing where you instantly think "3D-H" , there is _no credit_ ; it is not what you all said never will work you se even it look quite simular , ---- I just wonder what role you will place the next naive skilled artist , if the next exiting way to get the computer to work different and doing somthing true visionary will meet the same bullying and arogance. Just wonder if things realy is so, that if an architect come up with a new idear then everyone can se it while still if the poor guy is autodidact he is among pretitors. |
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P.C.
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Sorry I got carried away by plain facts , you ask an oppinion and mine is that it is light it carry an universe of detail , it challance the boring edgy glass and steel trend in an exiting way , guess the overall use of the domino pattern realy make a difference point a new direction that promise quality before talk detail instead of easy solutions , proberly a nice place to be. |
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LeCorbusier
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| Awwwwwe poor P.C., nobody understands you. Nobody can appreciate your great contribution to thousands of years of architectural design. Damn that Rem Koolhass, Im sure he just stole this design from you. Poor, poor Per Corell. boo hoo. Wait... , No..., actually , you make no damn sense. |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: Re: judgement |
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| SDR wrote: | | Is it possible to fairly judge a building from photographs and drawings? |
how else are we to ever judge a building? if we waited for every building to reach built form before criticizing it there certainly would be a lot of bad buildings out there...
obviously this one is built, but the drawings should certainly speak enough about it that one would be able to create a critique of it...
as RH said i too think the building will date very badly... luckily for it seattle doesn't exactly have a deeply rooted architectural history or anything of that sorts... and there are a few 'signature' pieces in the city such as the tower and the EMP [although a bit of a failure]
so actually on that point is seattle destine to become the graveyard of architectural good intentions? a collection of 'cutting-edge' architectural expressions whos power couldn't last any longer than they were on magazine covers? |
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:54 am Post subject: photos, drawings, reality |
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[Isn't it interesting that the term "3D" has been co-opted and is used to denote any (particularly effective?) attempt to depict a (usually imaginary, sometimes animated) three-dimensional world, on a two-dimensional plane? Such is the migration of vocabulary. . .]
Of course we all (usually) receive our first impressions of a (distant) building by means of two-dimensional media. I am particularly indebted to published architectural photography, as I travel seldom, and have been following current architecture for fifty years, doing my best to understand a project from available materials. Don't we all? Even though the new Seattle Library is only a few hundred miles from where I live, I'm not sure I'll see it any time soon, so, like most of us, I'm relying on photos, drawings and verbal description to judge the building. That said, can it be denied that a true assessment would require one's physical presence at, in and around the building? This may be an inconvenient fact, but does that make it untrue? Wright wasn't the only architect to protest that no photograph could truly represent a building. A building provides sensations beyond the static visual image.
It has been said that the large, squared-off plan shape of the American automobile, fully developed by the late 'fifties, resulted from input by the manufacturers' advertising departments, who wished to maximize the apparent size of their products AS SEEN IN A THREE-QUARTER VIEW. How many architectural projects have been calculated to "photograph well," possibly at the expense of real-world attributes?
Sorry to belabor what I'm sure is not news to anyone. Early reviews of the Seattle library are favorable (if the opinions of professional writers have any validity); I would suggest that it might be too soon to judge the long-term viability of the project.
Having been intimately involved in a number of projects that started with drawings and ended with the built reality, and being possessed of a reasonable degree of "structural visualization," I can report that most built work provides surprises in scale and/or proportion, relative to what was represented on the page. Wright is quoted as discovering surprises (always good ones, of course!) in some of his early interiors.
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Architorture
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obviously that is what sets architecture apart from other forms of art... its the only one in which you have to move through it to entirely appreciate it...
i've been in many buildings that i had first seen pictures of before experiencing and in most cases i was delighted at how great the experience was first hand, but there have also been those times where a building has been entirely underwhelming and dissappointing once i've actually been in it...
i have not been to the seattle library, and i doubt i will be getting there anytime soon...but from what i have read and what i have seen i feel that even if it is viewed as a good piece of architecture today i don't necessarily think those feelings will last very long...
there is plenty of examples of this in architectural history...pruit igo comes to mind... it did win an AIA design excellence award and was heralded far and wide... but it was a horrible failure in a relatively short time...
so i'll agree that we can't really judge the building yet...b/c it has only been around long enough to be heralded... in time i think we will see that people aren't going to like it quite as much |
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LeCorbusier
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| I walked by Koolhaas's Prada store in New York 50 times before I even knew it was done by him. He gets the recognition where others dont. Seems many who enter the store say the same thing, "why the huge elevator and the skateboard ramp?". Well I guess it was the flavor of the week for him. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:48 am Post subject: long run |
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Yessir. I've been amused by the local reactions to the new DeYoung Museum (Herzog & DeMeuren) (sp?) being built here in Golden Gate Park. Outrage (on the part of some) followed the project from its earliest stages, based only on poor black-and-white images (architects' illustrations in newspapers have until recently been credited as "artist's conception(s)"). Now that the copper-skinned structure is revealing itself, some are moderating their views, but the wonderful torqued tower, which many will climb to access a new panorama of park, city and ocean, still recieves verbal abuse from easily-shocked citizens. . .
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