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Donald
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Camanne's quote:
| Quote: | | What do you think about this spectaculary architectural project ? We're french students and need yours opinions about the library. Thanks |
After all the rhetoric posted, I guess its time now to see the proof of the how and why the French Students view this dated structure to be so spectaculary.
So please, give us yours opinions too....that is if you have any 
As for the spectaculary aspects of it, I don't think so.
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LeCorbusier
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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DeYoung Museum - Does anyone remember when buildings were built
to serve humans? What is that thing?
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ROB
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: Seattle Public Library - A Planner's View |
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As a student of planning and design, I admire built forms that are not only reflective of their purpose but also of the relationship to a greater context. This is to say that a bold building such as the SPL should address the changing role of a library in a world of instantly available information. Think about how libraries of yester-year looked and felt. They were austere, cold, and formal. Their brazen structure implyed that information was a privilege. Grand libraries (NYPL, BPL for example) that pay homage to renaissance architecture are beautiful because they stand as monuments to a time when information was the domain of a precious few.
If demonstrating a relationship to a greater context is the litmus test of a successful public building, the SPL passes with flying colours. The dominant structural elements of glass and steel project the idea that information is open to all; it is fluid and adaptive. This "transparency" filters through to the internal features such as the opaque book racks, bottom lit escalators and computer desks. In short, the architect, urban designer and interior designer should be commended. -Rob
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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but public libraries of yester year were still public and available to all... don't you see the possibility that this building will be viewed as too "avant garde" to be accessible to the masses?
libraries and other such government buildings partially borrowed their stylings b/c they were familiar and grounded in a history that made them understandable to the masses and something of a universal expression of ideas...
of course architecture hasn't had that kind of appeal since the mckim mead and white days it seems...so i guess i'm asking, by making public buildings of high architecture are we actually closing them off to the populous and reinforcing an idea of privilege?
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject: really |
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| You'd be intimidated by this building? You wouldn't want to find the way in and explore it? Does it look private, like an office building? "Too avant-garde" for the public? Remember the Eiffel Tower? I'd give the public more credit than that. . .
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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well i can't say i've ever been afriad to go into a library or any building that has borrowed the greco roman style either...
i'm not intimidated by it, but i could see how some maybe... you have to admit architecture does not hold the power in society that it once did...
i think part of that can be blamed on public perception of architecture and its role in society
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SDR
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Architecture, and especially city planning, may have given itself a black eye in the past forty years or so, but can you show that people aren't as affected as ever by the built environment? What about the struggle over the NYC "Ground Zero" site, or the international fuss about Bilbao, etc? Or do you mean something different by "holding power in society"?
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| i kind of mean architecture being viewed as the most important vehicle to express a society or cultures ideals or accomplishments or progress...how ever you want to put it
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ROB
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Architorture wrote: | | so i guess i'm asking, by making public buildings of high architecture are we actually closing them off to the populous and reinforcing an idea of privilege? |
You bring up a good point. However, you overlook the idea that architecture, indeed design, consitutes more than just a utilitarian purpose. In this case, Seattle demonstrated a need for a public library. Certainly, it could have commisioned a more traditional form. The issue is whether or not the form successfully rises above its utilitarian purpose and acts as a recording of the context from which it stems. This would be the very opposite of "high (unaccessable) architecture". It is architecture for the public - about the public and inclusive, literally, by design. -Rob
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Architorture
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| how many lay people do you think can explain the concepts being explored in the building?
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P.C.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Hi
Architorture wrote:
"so i guess i'm asking, by making public buildings of high architecture are we actually closing them off to the populous and reinforcing an idea of privilege?"
This is rather a description about how it have been, --- just everything about this building point another direction, --- what you mean in common terms is if you need to climb the stairs to enter ,but even you do so here you would not be confronted with this attitude of a building ,here there are so much detail so different an aproach but even being different there are an overall expression you don't se in arogant stone and glass buildings, the spaces are full of detail and behind it all a new architectural language start showing. Hope this building will show that there are other way's that detail and quality don't need to occupy the overall impression, --- no this structure is not arogant and it show new way's to use the materials , no rain enter even it look as if there are no roof.
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LeCorbusier
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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What the heck are you trying to say? You make no sense.
You are a stupid man.
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P.C.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
I wonder if this guy have a special pervert pleasure putting dirt on his nickname. Not long ago this guy who call himself LeCorb posted some - potential abuse - he thought the fora could profit , filth in writing and in pictures that is what you get from this guy. At the same time please think about what pleasure he have on the behave of the fora.
Now he uses the plaque that make so many jobs a site in hell ,and ofcaurse out of social liberty ,you proberly will not responde while you maby havn't yet discovered, that the future is just where mr. Corell point, ------- the works of the nickname LeCorbursier in this group proberly is not the sort of "architecture" you fancy, and the poor guy proberly never will se.
I display a new building method this guy display - potential abuse - and faul words and you all listen , -- ok it take some guts to say it's enough maby you are more interested in this guy's filth then say so.
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Donald
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Heres the AIA's take on this prize winning "thing of great beauty and a joy forever":
“A genuinely revolutionary reconfiguration of ‘the library’ as a place of urban gathering and the exchange of information. We admire the inventive concept of the building as a festive public place, the seamless and thorough-going integration of the building envelope with the interior experience, and the relentless imagination driving the manifestation of idea in every detail. It took some remarkable work to achieve the reality of this building. We found no evidence of laziness in thought or execution. Congratulations on a truly marvelous achievement!”
For those taxpayers living in Seattle, it does make for a great lantern on a dark corner:
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LeCorbusier
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I POSTED - potential abuse -? Really now. Do, please post the link to your allegation. This is proof of your compulsive lying.
Famous Excerpts from a P.C. Post
"that the future is just where mr. Corell point"
Oh yea, your a real visionary. "Lets play house with my computer!!!"
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