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SDR millennium club Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 1841 Location: San Francisco	Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Indeed. I have made small inroads into the subject of what architects say -- write -- about their work. In a nutshell, my thesis is that there is only so much that one can say about visual content, and make sense -- especially to the lay public. And, in conjunction with this problem: How much should the architect have to justify his aesthetic choices ? Are these a self-indulgent luxury, for which he should apologize -- to the extent that they distract from his primary goal, or cost the client more ? Must he persuade and seduce, in order to get those "unnecessary" elements included in the built work ? And, if so, to what extent does this problem influence the way he writes -- finding or fabricating credible rationale for the "irrational" content of the work ? SDR
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csintexas millennium club Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 2166 Location: USA	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: I don't know if there is any precedence for architects drawing interest before some of the world fairs. (architecture as spectacle) -Eiffel Tower, maybe the Crystal Palace _________________ -Chris Stewart http://bcshdb.blogspot.com > The B/CS Home Design Blog
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1105 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: ...adding to the list: Pirates, Eifell Tower, Trump something, and Frank Wright. I could be talking about aliens from the moon and somehow, somewhere, somebody will mention Wright. I won't deny that FLW had the it. Perhaps even defining the it. The artist rendering??? That sounds like an action. _________________ n/a
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1105 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: 3)Events that happened there. Isn't that everything? isn't that how we define interest? Everything we know is based on "events that happened there." Communicating to the lay people, "fabricating credible rational for the irrational content on the work" That sounds more than "small inroads." I wouldn't think any apology is needed, they are just doing thier jobs? _________________ n/a
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carmen Joined: 12 Jun 2009 Posts: 4 Location: China	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Drawing interest Hello everybody , I am sorry i am not professional for this , i am not good at drawing ,But our company have a good design team can help customer design some stone project . we are a stone factory . _________________ I am not the best ,but i will try my best !
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SDR millennium club Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 1841 Location: San Francisco	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Well -- we're going to "draw" a lot of different responses to the question, aren't we ? Are we sorry we used that term, yet ? Or is a circus the whole point -- a sucker (for a new building) born every minute ? Now we can expect a circus-tent manufacturer to "chime in" -- and maybe a bell company will be "herd" from -- and then a "cattle call" will ensue -- and then the lawyers will pony up -- and then SDR
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1105 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: It was predictable. The spicy title was the give-away. I could have a conversation with myself as a different login to spice things up too. I've been saving that gimmick for a good thread. Drawing interest off of someone or something. _________________ n/a
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SDR millennium club Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 1841 Location: San Francisco	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:03 pm    Post subject: As in -- away from -- the excellent point at hand ? I'm a little disappointed that my point (about what architects are supposed to be doing, and what they can be expected to say about it) went nowhere. Maybe that'll be another thread -- where I'll have to talk to myself, in two different voices ? SDR
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1105 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: SDR wrote: Indeed. I have made small inroads into the subject of what architects say -- write -- about their work. In a nutshell, my thesis is that there is only so much that one can say about visual content, and make sense -- especially to the lay public. And, in conjunction with this problem: How much should the architect have to justify his aesthetic choices ? Are these a self-indulgent luxury, for which he should apologize -- to the extent that they distract from his primary goal, or cost the client more ? Must he persuade and seduce, in order to get those "unnecessary" elements included in the built work ? And, if so, to what extent does this problem influence the way he writes -- finding or fabricating credible rationale for the "irrational" content of the work ? SDR It made sense to me. Better questions than I could have asked. I'll quote it, to hopefully draw more attention, oops, I mean interest. _________________ n/a
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SDR millennium club Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 1841 Location: San Francisco	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Yer too kind. [I just got into Cormac McCarthy. "Cities of the Plain." I'm not going to be able to put it down. Cowboy dialog with no quotation marks. Dead on.] [I invented a new drink this week too. Guess I'm on a roll.] Yippee. Draw me two queens, and a bath.
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SDR millennium club Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 1841 Location: San Francisco	Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Solid, what do you say to my hare-brained theme ? SDR
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csintexas millennium club Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 2166 Location: USA	Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:31 am    Post subject: I think there is a very large number of words you could use to describe a 3 dimensional object. It depends what the goal is -to explain or just to describe? I don't find much writings about architecture that don't include pictures though. I could write an entire book on a particular house but I don't know if anyone would want to read it. I don't feel like anyone needs to justify their aesthetic choices unless they distract from his primary goal, or cost the client more, etc.. -In that case if I where the client I would expect them to justify their reasons. Quote: Must he persuade and seduce, in order to get those "unnecessary" elements included in the built work Yes, of coarse. FLLW was very good at this. Quote: And, if so, to what extent does this problem influence the way he writes -- finding or fabricating credible rationale for the "irrational" content of the work? I would submit that most people are not all that rational in the first place. Someone who is not very rational and therefore designs in an irrational way, would find it difficult to write anything but the kind of archi-speak you often find. Others probably feel that archi-speak is the desirable goal which will get others to read what they write. _________________ -Chris Stewart http://bcshdb.blogspot.com > The B/CS Home Design Blog
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1105 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/render The "it" is somewhere in here: an artist rendering, creating events. Rational or irrational. It's the "what are you thinking" Is the "it" american? I'm thinking Ben Franklin had the it and the french knew it . Of course, as an american I could say, Leonardo De Vince had the it too. Architecture is a language? If you're blind, pictures wouldn't help. I don't see archi-speak conveying to the lay folks. The Amityville Horror is a book about a particular house, so is Anna Frank's diary. Pictures help. _________________ n/a
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Checkpoint43 Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 180 Location: Lexington, VA	Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Words and pictures help. But what about brute force? Just grab someone by the scruff of their neck, drag them there and say: "LOOK AT THIS BUILDING!" Grrrrrr!
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solidred Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 727 Location: Scotland	Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: Take the recent biography of Le Corbusier by Nicholas Fox Weber, for example. For the first time, I get to read about this Pierre Jeanneret; the actual guy and - suddenly - his architecture and the way he wrote about it all makes sense. He certainly wrote lengthy rhetorics on his design choices; those deeply personal quirks and fetishes that he make a good job of persuading others were Pure Reason; Inevitable Modernity (my phrases...) I've been exposed recently to a great many young musicians attempting to 'draw interest' towards their work. Artists too. Mainly in the form of bombarding anyone and everyone with information on their work with such relentlessness that one can scarce ignore it. I guess most 'geniuses' do this, then get 'discovered' then spend the rest of their lives covering their tracks; attempting to make their biographies into this effortless rise of the man or woman born a class apart... Brilliance without dignity or some hollow vastness just... big and flashy enough to lead the rats out of Hamelin? P.S. hope I've traced a sufficient number of ragged angles there, DJ
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