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surjones
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 Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: Do you think this is load-bearing? |
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This kitchen is small to say the least. I have decided to open up the wall and allow light to get in easier. If you look at the pic I did not expect this wall to be load bearing since there is a load bearing wall that goes from this level to up to the loft and to a huge header in the vaulted ceilings. So do you guys think it is vaulted?
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hungryarchitect
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: You can't tell from these photos |
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I don't think you could possible tell from these photos, although the double stud at the end hints at the possibility that it is load bearing. The real questions to ask are "Which direction are the joists above running?" and "Is there an obvious load path for supporting them?"
The chances are, if the joists are parallel with the wall then it's not bearing. At least it's not supporting the joists. If they are perpendicular to the wall then is there any other place that would be more rational for the bearing to be. If that's the most rational line of bearing then it may be.
A photograph without the ceiling sheetrock would be more indicative of the condition.
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I still can't tell for sure. The images Whole Pic & Loft Support suggest to me that the loft floor joists run parallel with the walls you want to cut down. Unfortunately the RightWallCeiling & FridgeWall show something perpendicular to the walls and resting on them. You can see on the upper third of RightWallCeiling a series of members (perhaps floor joists) resting on the double top plate of the wall.
So it's not clear if the walls are bearing or not. What we need to know is which direction the floor joists are running. It's seems relatively obvious from the photos that the roof isn't bearing on these walls, but the floor still might be.
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surjones
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Yea the RightWallCeiling.png pic shows the Loft Floor Joists running from the back of the kitchen thru the Dinning room.
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surjones
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| anyone else? anyone at all?
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surjones
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| anyone else? anyone at all?
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hungryarchitect
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I'm sorry, I thought I understood your last post to mean that you recognized the walls as being in a line of bearing. Based on the photographic evidence I'd assume the walls are bearing.
The only way to get a better answer is to remove sufficient ceiling sheetrock to actually see where the joists are supported. In any case the walls do have characteristics of bearing walls. They have a double top plate and a double stud on the end. That doesn't necessarily make them bearing but when the joists above are actually resting on them, it's a good indication.
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surjones
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| So lets say they are supported. Is there any way to "relocate" the support?
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surjones
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| anyone? Im thinking maybe they doubled up on the two return walls, so that way they are more durable and wont twist over time. Speaking of which on the right side, in the older pic you can see that the middle stud actually twisted about 5 degrees to the left.
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surjones
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| Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ? anyone ?
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surjones
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Im sorry did I say something wrong for people to ignore me?
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cousineddie
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Howdy there young feller,
Now I aint no enginear or nuthin,
and some people thinks im puddinheaded,
but im a figurin most folks here got it in there mind
that its probably not the best idee
to be gittin structural enginearing type advise
over the computir.
but mind ja, its jist a guess.........
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surjones
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| Welp got some local advice and not load bearing - Cut out the right and left, one more wall to go - You would be surprised how open it is now! It made the biggest difference in light and look. I appreciated the help I received from here -
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