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djswan
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| ArchiMotion wrote: | | djswan wrote: | I'm glad he rested and is ready to go again
Do you serve god, archi? |
No man is perfect. We are all subject to error and maybe at times we do something we must ask for forgiveness.
But certainly to serve God is much better then to serve the State, corporate interest, some false dogma of evolution or humanism, or even worse, some inner voice of error, as many are doing around these regions of cyber-space.
If one's mind is free, then it cannot be tied down by the threat of force, neither from a government of from individual men. The basic premise of our Constitution guarantees certainly basic concepts of freedom, and when these begin to be violated, and the voice of freedom is being squashed, then what is the result? Control, oppression, removal of freedom of speech, torture, executions, and the worst nightmares of humanity, as seen in Hitler and ex radical leftist governments of the past who enchained, killed, and incarcerated thousands for their faith, belief systems and desire for freedom of soul and of mind.
When the system starts to dictate to us what is acceptable science and what is not, it has gone beyond it's duty to protect and maintain the freedom of it's people, and, using it's power, is now abusing of it's authority, by imposing on it's people what they should or not accept as valid science. |
Whooaaahhh buddy, I got you in quotes now, saying what you really wanted to say.
I'm a reformed roman chatholic and firm believer in science and bad speller. gotcha.
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Kevin
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ArchiMotion banned for blatantly subverting forum moderation and ignoring established forum ettiquette standards despite repeat warnings.
And you guys have been doing a great job... tres entertaining too... but surely at this point (or sometime soon) there's a more "constructive" topic??? As you wish...
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csintexas
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This is a private site
You are free to start your own and say anything you want
I'm sure you could find a lot of people to agree with you
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djswan
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| csintexas wrote: | This is a private site
You are free to start your own and say anything you want
I'm sure you could find a lot of people to agree with you |
Ditto.
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djswan
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That took more energy then I was leading on.
Thank you Kevin. Wisdom is hard to come by.
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WorldDesigner
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Too much Ying Ying Ying here. How about some Yang along:
As had suggested, great stuff on the subject can be found in Krishna Science dude - check it out here at the link:
h t t p : //k r i s h n a s c i e n c e.com/3_G e n e t i c_D r i f t.html
Can new genes really arise from this genetic drift stuff?
Is it really possible humans could evolve from a common ancestor?
See the genetic calculation done here dude.
See article.
Genetic drift stuff actually does more harm then good.
See article.
Small amount of stuff we get from this genetic drift thing cannot turn an ape into a human.
| Quote: | | ...........There is no way that such a small amount of information could transform an ape into a human. (Stanford, 2005) |
See article.
The ultimate proof man, some concepts are just a myth
Genetic drift is not going to make it any better then firing a gunshot blindly through the hood of a car to improve engine performance.
That one on the dark side of the moon was a good one, ha. Hey, how could moon be slowing down man, heck, then something on earth is pulling it back in? No way, then it would start moving towards the earth if this was the case, thus bigger then forces pushing the big ball out. If that were possible heck it would fall to the earth man.  It is easy to claim it moves out and in from the earth, in a wish wash like the sea, so as to make it impossible for us to use the moon to date the earth. But in fact if the moon is on it's steady as she goes course, as predicted, then also there is a problem with how old the earth is man. Heck, this is good stuff. Course the stay will be the same to dismay the way by the way of the wayward stray. Where are Mr. Ying and Yang when you need them...heck science is all mixed up anyways, so why not let a little Krishna look at the science itself to see if it stands up to the test. |
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Hey man, heck this one is good.
As I also thought so, by reading here I found the Moon in Fact has always been slowly moving away from us here at the earth because of what these guys call "tidal forces":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon
| Quote: | Most of the tidal effects seen on the Earth are caused by the Moon's gravitational pull, with the Sun making only a small contribution. Tidal effects result in an increase of the mean Earth-Moon distance of about 3.8 m per century, or 3.8 cm per year.[50] As a result of the conservation of angular momentum, the increasing semimajor axis of the Moon is accompanied by a gradual slowing of the Earth's rotation by about 0.002 seconds per day per century.[51]
Ocean tides
Earth’s ocean tides are initiated by the tidal force (a gradient in intensity) of Moon’s gravity and are magnified by a host of effects in Earth’s oceans. The gravitational tidal force arises because the side of Earth facing the Moon (nearest it) is attracted more strongly by the Moon’s gravity than is the center of the Earth and—even less so—the Earth’s far side. The gravitational tide stretches the Earth’s oceans into an ellipse with the Earth in the center. The effect takes the form of two bulges—elevated sea level relative to the Earth; one nearest the Moon and one farthest from it. Since these two bulges rotate around the Earth once a day as it spins on its axis, ocean water is continuously rushing towards the ever-moving bulges. The effects of the two bulges and the massive ocean currents chasing them are magnified by an interplay of other effects; namely frictional coupling of water to Earth’s rotation through the ocean floors, inertia of water’s movement, ocean basins that get shallower near land, and oscillations between different ocean basins. The magnifying effect is a bit like water sloshing high up the sloped end of a bathtub after a relatively small disturbance of one’s body in the deep part of the tub.
Gravitational coupling between the Moon and the ocean bulge nearest the Moon affects its orbit. The Earth rotates on its axis in the very same direction, and roughly 27 times faster, than the Moon orbits the Earth. Thus, frictional coupling between the sea floors and ocean waters, as well as water’s inertia, drags the peak of the near-Moon tidal bulge slightly forward of the imaginary line connecting the centers of the Earth and Moon. From the Moon’s perspective, the center of mass of the near-Moon tidal bulge is perpetually slightly ahead of the point about which it is orbiting. Precisely the opposite effect occurs with the bulge farthest from the Moon; it lags behind the imaginary line. However it is 12,756 km farther away and has slightly less gravitational coupling to the Moon. Consequently, the Moon is constantly being gravitationally attracted forward in its orbit about the Earth. This gravitational coupling drains kinetic energy and angular momentum from the Earth’s rotation (see also, Day and Leap second). In turn, angular momentum is added to the Moon’s orbit, which lifts the Moon into a higher orbit with a longer period. The effect on the Moon’s orbital radius is a small one, just 0.10 ppb/year, but results in a measurable 3.82 cm annual increase in the Earth-Moon distance.[54] Cumulatively, this effect becomes ever more significant over time; since when astronauts first landed on the Moon approximately 39 years ago, it is now 1.49 metres farther away. |
The moon is moving away from the earth at almost 4 cm per year dude.
Therefore, the earth and moon really cannot be as old as some are saying, since this increase in the earth-moon distance has been constant, and taking it back in time gives us a much younger earth.
Heck, where did those guys come up with those earth-moon distance fluctuation ideas. It is a constant man.
Maybe the moon was made when some giant asteroid hit the earth and all that stuff in the air formed the moon. And now since it is moving away, we can go back in time and see the big globe would have been part of us not so long ago. But not to close to earth man, or it would break up into pieces. (Or squash our oceans). So the earth and moon have to be even younger then actually those guys think, since the big globe could not have formed less the 11,000 km or so above us, as far as what I read before. So then we got a big problem to date the whole thing called the big blue earth. This is good stuff and the previous krishna link to - good to check it out. More Yang for ya. |
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Writen by men who are unable to achieve on a level field of play.
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Notice how this topic has suffered enormous opposition, thus representative of what is going on in the s c i e n t i f i c community. Notice that although members here have studied some sci ence, and are familiar with s c i e n t i f i c literature and the like, they are not themselves s c i e n t i s t s, yet they are adamant about insisting s c i e n t i s t s are not s p r e a d i n g -- f a l s e -- i n f o r m a t i o n, but rather c r e a t i o n i s t s -- are spreading f a lse info, so they c l a i m. How can they be so sure of this if they are not --- s c i e n t i s t s ---nor have they truly analyzed ---c r e a t i o n i s m -- from a --- s c i e n t i f i c --- point of view ? And how can they say C r e a t i o n i s m -- is not s c i e n c e, but a t h e i s t i c ---- e v o l u t i o n a r y ideas, still h y p o t h e s i s and un-proven --- t h e o r y, --- are fact? There is a clear --- b i a s --- here, as there is in society, in --- s c h o o ls, --- everywhere, against any idea that --- G o d --- could c r e a t e -- the --- u n i verse. --Why is it that --- C r e a t i o n i s t s -- are not able to get any -- p a p e r s --- p u b l i s h e d -- in -- s c i e n c e -- magazines, literature, and present their material to the ---w o r l d? There is a --- f i e r c e --- campaign to --- s i l e n c e --- the --- e v i d e n c e as presented by the --- C r e a t i o n i s t s, ---call it ---non-s c i e n c e, ---and thus spread universally the --- h e r e s i e s, -- d o g m a s, -- l i e s and fase truths of modern day e v o l u t i o n a r y ---- s c i e n t i s t s. This is the fact. And some cannot stand to see this reality and would rather squash the v o i c e -- of -- f r e e d o m of discussion, calling proponents names, insunuating they are -- r u d e, -- or cannot carry an argument. (And everyone is allowed to brake the --- r u l e s --- and bash the -- c r e a t i o n i s t, --- with no qualm, they are heral-ded as he-roes). One need not look very far in these discussions to see the climate of ---- s u p p r e s s i o n, ---- lack of reason, blunt ---- g a n g i n g ---- up, braking the very --- r u l e s --- they so --- a d a m a n t l y --- propose, ---- e x c l u d i n g --- members who would --- r e s i s t --- the l i e s --- of --- e v o l u t i o n, --attempting to squelch their voice, --- t h r e a t e n --- their status, and -- a b o l i s h their ideas from society, by tagging them as --- f a l s e -- c l a i m s, --- fa l se -- cl ai ms, f al s e --- c l a i m s. Who is to decide what is --- f a l s e --- c l a i m s ---and --- f a l s e ---s c i e n c e, when these people are not even true --- s c i e n t i s t s ? The --- b i a s --- is clear. And why are all the links that reference --- C r e a t i o n i s m called --- "s c a m s, -- w a r n i n g -- f a l s e --- s c i e n c e , and not even one geocities link, Wikipidea reference, full of errors, is deemed --- a ---- s c a m or f a l s e?
And notice how in the ---- s c i e n t i f i c --- c o m m u n i t y, it is like a secret society - only members who embrace the anti- G o d ideas of --- e v o l u t i o n --- are accepted into the system, applauded and heralded as true ---- s c i e n tists, --- even when they make --- f a l s e --- claims about r a d iometric d a t ing and the like. And the s c i e n tists who bring up ---- e v i d e n ce --- to prove that many ideas of modern science, when it comes ---- to d-a-t-i-n-g --- of --- f o s s i ls, are immediately --- p e r s e c u t e d --- and ex-communicated from the s y stem and ---- r i d i c u l e d -- by other --- s c i e n t i s t s. And many of those who oppose the ideas here cannot even carry on a logical conversation without jumbling up all the issues, for the sake of spreading the l i e s --- of --- e v o l u t i o n and confusing further the minds of the readers, so as to "save the system" of -- l i e s that has been created in society against any an all who would oppose it. There is no --- f r e e d o m and ---- d e m o c r a c y --- in this, but rather a system of --- a b u s e, --- of --- l i e s, of --- r e p r e s s i o n, of --- v i o l a t i o n --- of f r e e d o m --- to look at these issues from both points of view - which is being --- d e n i e d. The wise will truly analyze the facts and see what is going on. Then they claim these are --- p r i v a t e -- discussions, but other members are allowed to speak their minds on any issue as they feel fit - from --- p o l i t i c s -- to --- s c i e n c e , to ----e n v i r o n m e n t a l issue, you name it. All is free except those that are contro lled by the system of false infor mation being spread by -- m o d e r n -- s c i e n t i s t s.. (Such as on m o d e r n --- d a t i n g --- t e c h n i q u e s, for example).
A small search around the web reveals there are two opposing camps - S E C U L A R --- E V O L U T I O N I S T S versus C R E A T I O N I S T ----- S C I E N T I S T S
Both have an incredible amount of evidence to support their claims. The only thing is that they contradict each other. So therefore, one of the camps must be l y i n g. Truly by analyzing these one can see that in fact the S E C U L A R ---- E V O L U T I O N I S T S are the ones doing the l y i n g, not the other way around. They are --- d i s t o r t i n g --- the facts by overwhelming the reader with an incredible amount of information which makes it difficult for anyone to contest, but another s c i e n t i s t, --- which the --- c r e a t i o n i s t --- s c i e n t i s t s have been successfully doing to the a n g e r, -- o u t r a g e -- of the --- h u m a n i s t --- s e c u l a r ---- s c i e n t i s t s, who then proceed to h a r a s s, --- b a n i s h, --- a c c u s e and attack the --- c r e a t i o n i s t s. (Calling it non- s c i e n c e --- and the like).
This ever waging ---- b a t t le --- can be seen when there was a need to create an alternative to the Wikipedia mis-information, the --- c r e a t i o n --- W i k i ---- project.
And the --- D a r w i n i s ts ---- have started their own Dar-winia sites to spread more ---- m i s - i n f o r m a t i o n. We even have a renowned s-ci-ent-ists, applauded, heralded by the-- s c i e n t i f i c --- community, in writing an article attempting to dispell the --- m y t h s --- of --- c r e a t i o n i s m, and in itself is wraught with --- e r r o r s,--- those seeming very plausible as is written by a renowned--- s c i e n t i s t. -- Yes the same -- d e s p i s e --- the years of research put into demonstrating -- the e r r o r s -- of modern science, in the sites below elaborated by --- c r e a t i o n i s t s. --- The --- b a t t l e --- wages on in the modern world, and the spreading of l i e s --- and --- m i s - i n f o r m a t i o n --- by the --- s c i e n t i f ic --- community continues:
C r e a t i o n i s m --- V e r sus --- E v o l u t i o n L i n k s
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a s a 3.o r g/a S A/r e s o u r c e s/W i e n s.h t m l
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c r e a t i o n w i k i.o r g/C r e a t i o n_s c i e n c e
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There is no true f r e e d o m -- of --- expression. Others will certainly come to bring forth further --- o p p o s i t i o n -- but is no need for this any further. Here rests the case. The voice of --- f r e e d o m --- may die out by oppo-sition, but the desire for free---dom -- will live on in our hearts and souls forever. |
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Excuse me! Mark it zero. Next frame
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The mind boggles! Maybe if we sit and watch, usarender/archimotion/worlddesigner/voiceoffreedom will start debating with himself  |
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WorldDesigner
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No surprise to see that man. These guys were never nice. Nor will science be nice when we can show this modern stuff is wrong.
Guess nobody got any comments on that tidal effect stuff....
And some more Yang for ya.
Hey, this whole evolution creation thing really is interesting dude. Do some reading on Krishna science man, lighten up.
Even find a great book there called "Forbidden Archeology". Those guys in science got one heck of a problem with this one.
I saw various examples on this page man. I see archeologists and scientists being harassed, heck. Their data conveniently tucked into a corner, being mob attacked by a bunch of anti this that the other. They never get to show their stuff to the public and it could disrupt this evolution thing they got going.
About this suppression thing agree also. Heck, how long archeology been around and never able to answer these basic questions. Just do some reading man, forget what those dudes tell you and check it out. Guess few people got any balls to really do some digging. No surprise then to see some overly react. Hare Rama. |
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csintexas
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Yes I already commented on it. The moon has not always moved away at 4cm per year (this is just how it is moving now)
When it was first formed both it and the Earth where molten rock. Tidal forces where non existent and the moon was being pulled toward the earth. It took a billion years for the oceans to form and also some periods may have had substantial ice which minimized the tidal effects. The moon is a very large mass the tidal force is extremely weak. It would take billions of years for it to begin moving and then accelerate to 4cm per year. In another billion years they say it will be moving at 6cm per year.
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| lekizz wrote: | | The mind boggles! Maybe if we sit and watch, usarender/archimotion/worlddesigner/voiceoffreedom will start debating with himself |
Did you notice the "balls" comment above? I'm only reading the top and bottom lines. 
Sit and watch eh, like a science experiment? I was adding a catalyst.
Hmmmmm how long will this topic last?
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