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How Goes It
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Peter Severin Carlsen
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Well that's curious, but how do you use this with PowerCadd. Can you import the vectorized image and then manipulate them or is it just a sharper picture? It would be nice to take a picture of a building and end up with a cadd drawing, but something tells me this is not what this does.
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How Goes It
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How do you use this with PowerCadd
One thing ----- logos from companies you want to place in presentation graphics or title blocks, where the company does not readily have the vector artwork available. You can use the program to fix colors on a scan faster than with Photoshop (my opinion).
Maybe a company needs some signage and you need to scale up the logo. Vector is what you would want to scale up to use on a sign, for instance, when going to a CNC router table, or when placing a large print on the side of a truck.
HOPEFULLY, this will become a program brought to market. I would expect that at that time, it would be able to handle a file bigger than 5 megs. If so, this could be used in converting old plans that are scanned for archiving.
If your scanned plan is less then 5 megs now, then one could convert from bitmap to vector right now.
There may be cases where scanning existing plans and converting to vector, and then modifying these plans or adding to -- would be faster then drawing from scratch.
But, I still have to see how good this does on plans.
I did try it earlier today on a logo.
My friend lost the artwork to his business card. I found a card, and scanned in the logo. This TIFF was good enough for the business card, but I thought since he is going to be opening a branch in a new local, he might want some signage. The program worked great. It was very accurate on the logo.
What I saw so far impressed me.
You could use it for converting pictures of plants to vector work, for placing in elevations.
These are a few things that come to mind.
Can you import the vectorized image and then manipulate them or is it just a sharper picture?
Yes, you can manipulate all the vector work, line by line, polyline by polyline. I brought the EPS into Illustrator, no problem. From there, it's no problem going to PC or form•Z or other CAD.
It would be nice to take a picture of a building and end up with a cadd drawing, but something tells me this is not what this does.
Using Photo Survey to do the perspective control rectifying, and then Photoshop and Vector Magic, you might be able to get enough vector info on an elevation, that would be time consuming to do otherwise.
Other than this, the only thing I know of, that would come close to taking a picture and ending up with a cad drawing would be ETemplate. http://www.etemplatesystem.com/ But it is expensive ($12k) and it can only do what can be photographed at one time. You could always stitch all these different 'CAD pictures' together. But this is really meant for doing accurate surveys for cabinet makers, counter surface guys, stair contractors -- that type thing. Not really meant for entire building surveys. |
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jasonlocher
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Location: Austin, Texas
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| Peter Severin Carlsen wrote: | | Well that's curious, but how do you use this with PowerCadd. Can you import the vectorized image and then manipulate them or is it just a sharper picture? It would be nice to take a picture of a building and end up with a cadd drawing, but something tells me this is not what this does. |
have you looked at http://engsw.com/products/archext/photo/? |
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How Goes It
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Here is one thing you could do with the program.
This example does not highlight the accuracy or higher resolution of the program. I did not intend to show a higher res. object, though I could have. This merely shows the workflow, and is an example of a time saving technique.
This took minutes to do.
I am not an artist that could do this using any vector program, anywhere near the time I did, using Vector Magic & Illustrator.
Using this technique, it takes relatively little time to place vector landscape features in PowerCADD. Features that can mimic the profiles of real life objects, where if you wanted to see exactly what a particular tree would look like in front of a house, this could possibly give you that ability.
I started with a picture, vectorized it, eliminated the background, placed another background to show how you can see through this vectorized object.
Attribution for the picture was given as required.
http://www.freefoto.com/index.jsp
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M-Rick
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| Extraordinary ! |
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pbacot
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Thanks for the sample. There could be many uses for this. Just in the example you used, it can be time consuming or expensive creating a pool of plant images that are appropriate for CAD drawings. These could be manipulated in PC in various ways (adjust opacity for instance) to fit your style.
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lavardera
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Do they say where this is going? Pay per use site, or stand alone software?
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How Goes It
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| pbacot wrote: | | There could be many uses for this. |
It's great for library items -
Trees, plants, people, cars, clouds.
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Weller
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| Not Using Illustrator very often I need to know at what stage the background is eliminated. I'v tried doing this several times however even when I remove the backgound in Illustrator and save it I get a white background when imported into PD [square box around the vectorized object] in all the formats I have saved in out of Illustrator. Am I missing a step or doing something incorrect? |
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How Goes It
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Weller,
On my old dual G5, I'm using an old version of Illustrator (ver. 9), which boots in Mac OS 9.2.2, and PowerCADD 6 which is running in OS X (10.3.7).
HOW I DID THE CAR ---------
I brought the EPS file from VectorMagic into Illustrator.
I selected the 3 white background areas (1- the large rectangular box, 2-underneath the car between the wheels and the shadow, 3- the area between the front tire and wind dam), and then hit the delete (backspace key).
I selected the car and then went up to Edit in the menu bar, and selected Copy.
Clicked in my PowerCAD document.
Did a Paste.
Scaled my car.
And then grouped all the parts to one.
Notice that some touch-up work is needed on the front headlight.
You could fix this in either program.
I hope things haven't changed on newer versions of both programs, that is, I hope I'll be able to do a simple copy and paste when I update both programs and the OS.
Let me know if this works with your versions.
Thanks,
Steve
Below is a screen capture out of PowerCADD, before touching up the headlight.
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Antisthenes
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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slick stuff
beats doing it by hand 
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JohnMorse
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| Is there some reason that PowerCADD can't open .eps files directly? |
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How Goes It
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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John,
Good point.
Fact is, the only reason I need Illustrator for doing the above, is for opening the EPS.
I could just as easily do all the editing in PowerCADD. Meaning --- I could remove all the white background areas in PowerCADD. No need to do this part in Illustrator.
As things stand now, I can open an EPS from VectorMagic in Illustrator, and then do a copy without doing any editing whatsoever in Illustrator, click in my PowerCADD document, and do a paste. Then, within PowerCADD, remove the white background, group, and scale.
Seems we use to be able to write an EPS using LaserPrint? Or was it that we were able to read an EPS? Or both?
And if PowerCADD is allowing us to do more graphic type things, such as Photoshop type filters, transparencies, and shadows -- wouldn't it make sense to incorporate one of the formats used so widely in the graphics industry?
My opinion.
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M-Rick
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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in Illustrator, Save EPS Illustrator 8 and PowerCADD can open them.
The EPS files generated are post Illustrator 8 that's why they cannot be opened ! It would be good that ENGSW thinks to update that too. |
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