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jasonlocher Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Austin, Texas	Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: PowerCADD on Leopard now that apple has announced the release of Leopard on October 26th, it would be a fair question to ask if PowerCADD 7 has been tested and runs on it. If I upgrade, is there anything I need to know this time around?
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Nick Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Location: Long Island, N.Y.	Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: I was wondering the same thing.
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NRT.Rob Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 110 Location: Gardiner, ME	Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: come on now! If you work on the machine for a living, you DO NOT UPGRADE for six months, for any program, AND ESPECIALLY NOT FOR THE OS. Now if you want to do it on a fun machine, let us know how it goes! Anything less, and you're a pioneer. You know, that guy with the arrow in his back? We all salute the pioneers, but don't want to be them
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Nick Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 107 Location: Long Island, N.Y.	Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: This is not our first ball game.
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Chris Roehl Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 42 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: NRT.Rob wrote: come on now! If you work on the machine for a living, you DO NOT UPGRADE for six months, for any program, AND ESPECIALLY NOT FOR THE OS. Now if you want to do it on a fun machine, let us know how it goes! Anything less, and you're a pioneer. You know, that guy with the arrow in his back? We all salute the pioneers, but don't want to be them Says who? I guarantee that is not the thinking of most enterprises out there. Problems I have run into are fixed in Leopard, I've waited too long for this release as it is, can't always afford to wait for others to catch up , especially since this has been made available to developers for some time, We are replacing machines this year, and all that is available is Macintel machines and all of those will only be available with 10.5. I'm still waiting for the day I don't have to run PCADD in Rosetta.
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NRT.Rob Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 110 Location: Gardiner, ME	Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: do what you like. I remember Tiger.
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erikmar Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 62 Location: Los Angeles, CA	Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: PC7 running as-is on Leopard is not likely to be an issue, but PC7 and/or 8 taking advantage of some of Leopard's benefits may be. For example, both cover flow and quick look support would be very helpful for those of us that typically manage projects with lots of individual PC files. Apple apparently allows third party developers create quick look plugins to support their proprietary file types. Spotlight integration is another one that could have been implemented by now, but hasn't been, so maybe we shouldn't hold our breath for Leopard-specific enhancements to PC.
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huc Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 688 Location: ::caddpower.com:: (Arvada, CO)	Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: Chris Roehl wrote: ... especially since this (read: Leopard) has been made available to developers for some time What Apple makes available to developers, even at Golden Master time, and what actually gets shipped to consumers is never the same thing. For third party developers, stuff that might have worked fine with an Apple developer release could easily (and often does depending on who you ask) get busted when the final version is burned to production for public consumption. While I can't speak for EngSW... many software developers wait for Apple to actually release a final version for sale to the public before doing final development and testing of their own. It's just safer and most cost effective for the developers and end users to take a more cautious approach in that context. Me -- I always load the latest and greatest on *one* machine for internal testing as there are just too many parts to my work flow that are affected with OS updates and I need to know what's going to break everywhere (i.e. not just PowerCADD issues). If I have only one machine I install(ed) the updated OS on a second HD and tested accordingly. I take that tack internally for my SOHO, I took it when managing dozens of networked machines and servers with my old company, and I make that recommendation to clients for short and long term purchase planning. Among other things; I guess I just like to know how deep the water is before I jump in LOL I recommend buying a copy of Leopard when it comes out and test all the bits and pieces of daily production including PowerCADD. After all, everyone's setups and requirements are unique -- one person's minor annoyance that could be worked around will be a critical issue for another. Nobody expects Apple to break anything and all reasonable expectations are that Leopard should be a 'reasonably' seamless upgrade. What is reasonable is as yet unknown and impossible to predict with any certainty.
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Alfred Scott Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 771 Location: Richmond, VA	Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: I usually wait a couple of weeks to hear if there are any horror stories making the rounds, then I just make the switch and live with what problems I find. I think Apple is doing phenomenal work these days so I'm not worried about things. There's a big difference between what is happening now and the earliest days of OSX. Cover flow is pretty damned cool, but remember that if that gets put in a program, then the program will probably not run on Tiger. As I understand it, Quick Look depends on pdf. That's just going to be a phenomenal thing for all of us. Glad I don't have to do the work! Alfred
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erikmar Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 62 Location: Los Angeles, CA	Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Alfred Scott wrote: Cover flow is pretty damned cool, but remember that if that gets put in a program, then the program will probably not run on Tiger. Alfred I didn't envision PC handling cover flow. The Finder does that already. It would be a matter of the PC file format supporting the Finder's preview generating routines. Leopard already auto-generates previews for all .pdf's, MS Word, Excel, etc. files regardless of their origin. I'd guess it's a matter of tweaking the file format to allow the cover flow routines to do their stuff. WRT the golden master vs. shipping version thing, it doesn't seem to put too much of a crimp in other developers' styles - since apple announced the leopard ship date, there has been a steady flow of app updates proclaiming themselves Leopard-ready. It doesn't seem that they've been frozen with worry that heavily touted features like cover flow will change drastically in the week since the GM was announced and the burnt DVD's hit the stores. That's apart from the fact that GM is supposed to be the shipping version - the week delay is to get the physical product into the consumer channels.
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phansford Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: PowerCADD on Leopard jasonlocher wrote: now that apple has announced the release of Leopard on October 26th, it would be a fair question to ask if PowerCADD 7 has been tested and runs on it. If I upgrade, is there anything I need to know this time around? There has been a lot of change in the last 12-18 months - Macintels, forthcoming OX 10.5 and PC 8. I have been nursing my two G4 macs for a good year or so waiting for all three events to get closer to reality. So while it might be a pressing question to some (PC7 and Leopard), to me the issue is finally an OS that will be native to the intel Mac - I plan on upgrading my laptop and getting it prepared for the release of PC8. This will allow me to get all the "non-critical" software up and running and still have a functioning workstation on my other desk. Now that Apple has finally announced a firm day for Leopard, I think we will see the release of PC 8 within a month or two. Not that I am in the ENGSW Loop - I am not - but I figured they would hold PC 8 off until the release of Leopard to ensure compatibility (as best as possible). There be patches in the future I am sure as the talented guys at ENGSW figure out the cool things that Leopard will allow them to take advantage of....... Plus the release of PC 8 in a month after Leopard makes it a tasty Christmas treat and end-of-the-year tax purchase. _________________ MacBook Pro (2.4 Core Duo/667 MB RAM/256 Vram) iMac (2.8 Core Duo/800 MB RAM/512 Vram) OS X - 10.5.8 PowerCadd 8.0.14 (build ID20)
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dwm Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 572	Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: PowerCADD on Leopard phansford wrote: to me the issue is finally an OS that will be native to the intel Mac Just curious, What makes you think Leopard will be more Intel native than Tiger? Leopard will have to be backward compatible with G4 and G5 CPU's. _________________ Artisan Developer of copyCat for PowerCADD PowerCADD 6 thru 8 compatible Mac OS X Tiger and Leopard compatible copyCat
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phansford Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 853 Location: SW Ohio	Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:35 am    Post subject: Tiger was orginally built for the PPC Mac. Leopard will be the first new OS built since the introduction of the IntelMac. I think is natural to assume that Leopard will be built to take advantage of the new hardware. We find out tomorrow and the weeks to follow.
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dwm Joined: 20 Apr 2004 Posts: 572	Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:00 pm    Post subject: phansford wrote: I think is natural to assume that Leopard will be built to take advantage of the new hardware. I would agree that's pretty much a given since each major release has had significant improvements in performance and features. As for Intel native, Apple has been on a long term plan since they acquired the NeXTSTEP operating system, which was capable of running on Motorola and Intel CPU's. I think the Intel move was in their sights long before they dumped Motorola, who wouldn't or couldn't meet their specifications. It's more likely the other way around that Macs are being made for the operating system and OS X has been juggling transitional support of all the existing Mac programs. Apple has done a fantastic job of providing that support with Classic and Rosetta, and the ability for other developers to provide operating environments such as SheepShaver and Parallels. And now Leopard includes BootCamp for Windows. Just my thoughts but it seems to me Intel native was there all along. Apple has done a great job of easing us into Mac OS X, and I love it (only since OS X 10.3 though). It weren't for PowerCADD 6 I might have been even slower to embrace it. It will be interesting to see how PowerCADD runs but since I have no complaints, I'm more interested in using the new features in Leopard. I'll find out by Monday at latest, Apple confirmed my order has shipped. My strategy will be to dive in by running Leopard from a new partition. If PowerCADD runs OK I'll go with it. If not I'll jump back to Tiger. I think at this point in the development of OS X and running on an Intel Mac it's pretty safe to just jump right in. In case anyone wants to know Leopard will only run on macs with a processor that is Intel, or a PowerPC G5 or G4 (at 867 MHz or faster). _________________ Artisan Developer of copyCat for PowerCADD PowerCADD 6 thru 8 compatible Mac OS X Tiger and Leopard compatible copyCat
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pbacot Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 980 Location: Northern California	Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: I too will be interested in Leopard as Apple is giving me a brand new 17" PB Pro DuoCore Intel processor etc. etc. (I sent my G4 in for screen repairs and they said they couldn't fix it in the near future.--AppleCare rocks) If Leopard isn't loaded, I can get it for $10. Stil I am a late adopter generally. Iwill also be able to play with the idea of v.7, as speed would not suck as bad... _________________ Peter B
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