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P.C.
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| They are not so bad here -- Zaha made a addition to a museum that is not so bad at all, our new nasional theater finaly installed harmony by allowing the theater we shuld have had in the 70' and our new Opera ..... well that alone is a study in how to fight the new thing comeing ; I had the pleasure of the engineer drawing, know details there that some one shuld learn from, even these learnings might point to weak links and a sad prioraty. Emagine ; the socalled 3D drawings, was measures taken, after a raw shell was installed, they was foulty even someone spended a farm to fabricate, what atleast was computer drawings, and when the means was there, when the sections as cut out a cake was measured and made into "D drawings repear two dimensional drawings --- well then the project failed, as there was no one to make these 2D sections measurements, into a 3D drawing. ... long story I got the plans did the job, suggested a solution, and then it was impossible to reach the architect. It ended up being laminated in plywood with boatbuilding and carpenter methods from the 20' and the poverfull 3D things ended up as 2D gadgeds as no one had the fantasi to use a 2,5 D router. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: An interesting story |
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Now that is an interesting story pc. Nice to know of your involvement on that project and yes, frequently things are not built as planned. In some cases, as that one, the process as well as the materials end up inverted. It is absurd indeed to attempt to produce 3d after the fact. Better to build from 3d as we do. No better way.
Do you have any of the 2D or 3D drawings of that new Opera? Any models? Would be interesting to see. |
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P.C.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Not much , or well there are some ---- but you will not see an opera there and I am sure the section drawings annd some explanation ; see the problem was, how to draft sections in a round outher shell and use that, to project the inner theater room with stage, seats balconies everything, ---- you will be able to find plenty of that finished on the web, and these explain maybe better , by showing the end result that was not yet decided in the drawings I was handed. Also there was a problem there, the outher shell had been build even fact is that it's expression was chenged underway even it's the same form---- but all I have is the outher shell, and even vorse ; the way this is measured is from center out -- remember it is a round form -- so what I have is 17 allmost simular sections , -- like when you cut a round birthsday's cake allmost as there are a tiny entlenghtenment difficult to see but in the drawings, but I guess they needed some 3,5 meter more, so instead of intirely round well ....
You will find these drawings I think, in my "Structure testbench" Yahoo group
----- Try search for that, I hardly remember if it's an open group but I think it is, there in the "foto's section there are various folders and in one of those ; please look I think it's as simple as that, othervise I check. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: New Ideas? |
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| Any new ideas on human perceptions of space? |
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P.C.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Build some smarter houses maybe . Skip some old methods concour new and brilliant ones, create a mountain of new jobs, a number of new houses a new architecture and a different fabrication ; then make a new try. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: Quite a challenge |
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Wow, now that is quite a challenge you posted pc.
Whoever is able to achieve this should deserve the "Nobel Prize" of Architecture, if any existed. |
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P.C.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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would you expect me to sight for less than everything ?
Now maybe you don't realise , but it is so small things, that transform it all. Very small things in fact, such as a new easy material, cheap plywood sheets, , cheap lumber, concrete or steel avaible,now a new way to put things together unlike earlier, where a computer come in handy 3dh has it's advanteage.
Now please understand I am not engaged in discussions about god when I design something, that's just not my way, likewise -- I know I can deliver what is the challance, a practical new way to use the computer, so I think I can challance again;
Build some smarter houses maybe . Skip some old methods concour new and brilliant ones, create a mountain of new jobs, a number of new houses a new architecture and a different fabrication ; then make a new try. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: The Devil is in the Details Part II |
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| Well, at least you admit "the devil is in the details", so why not "God is in the details?" |
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P.C.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Beauty is in the detail ! Detail is the finish, when you do the detail first the rest are eminent. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| You start inside out, that's the new architecture, the important things first , that's detail, then beauty will follow. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: The proper sequence needed |
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Ok, so if we have a new LANGUAGE of architecture, I am starting with the mind and working inwards out, into the design we produce. To me there is no more beautiful way to do it then with LANGUAGE first. The result will follow in the design we produce, if the LANGUAGE is properly modeled to reflect a proper order of thought.
Rather then FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION, we have,
FORM FOLLOWS LANGUAGE
DESIGN FOLLOWS LANGUAGE.
ARCHITECTURE FOLLOWS LANGUAGE.
CREATIVITY FOLLOWS LANGUAGE
LANGUAGE FOLLOWS ID.
ID FOLLOWS INTENT.
ID FOLLOWS A CREATIVE INTELLIGENCE.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Then I guess a tool that in an intelectural way compose the trivial solid walls , those that othervise only the bricklayers would enhance, would be a most genuine tool, allowing you to deal with what is more valuable, while the language ,the sentenses that dictate the order of fabrication , the way bits and pieces can go together, without anyone ever needing to control it , just work by self decision, --- what without such tools, how to gain the efficiency if all those young people can not have made a swell boat at a third the cost, a fine house that will resist, wind, fire and earthquake while it is thought four times the strength ; don't forget how important and what promise , new real poverfull methods are these day's. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: AI and guided design |
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You can look at it or think of it that way if you wish. We can have various tools and one of them a refinement of the trivial solid walls of brick is a good start. The more valuable becomes the flexible form of the wall to superimpose the old form of the brick. The core tool can thus be seen as the language, but not as a sequence of AI assembly instructions, but rather as a series of events that can be programmed by the mind of the designer, with the predictable outcome of their pre established functions and genetic outcome. Now it is not only efficiency of assemblage we are concerned with, but efficiency in our thinking and methods of design. The computer can bring thus some new ways to test the inter working of AI and guided design all along the way. Now the final result being fast to assemble and much stronger will bring the greatest benefit of all. But the method need not be a computer cut frame of calculated panels. There are alternate ways to do it as I have proposed. This is not an attempt to take the credit, but not allowing the system to be flexible is protecting something that should be allowed to achieve the optimal means of assemblage.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Blah blah blah
1) blah blah blah
2) blah blah blah
3) blah blah blah
4) blah blah blah
5) blah blah blah
Well we for sure that blah blah blah follows blah blah blah
I've come full circle. Better yet, It's a spiritual union of blah blah blah.
I summon the god Ouroboros to smite the non-believers and usa(who dat) blah blah blah.
(me) Tell us mighty Ouroboros what did Frank mean, when he said form and function are a spiritual union?
(Ouroboros) Frank needs to bite his own ass, he is a knucklehead.
(me) What is the function of biting your own ass?
(Ouroboros) To smell the crap you preach.
(me) My humble thanks, mighty Ouroboros.
(Ouroboros) You weren't praying hard enough for the Rockies last night.
(me) I was too busy, kids and all, you know.
(Ouroboros) I want you to double your prays today.
(me) If you can tell me that the Rockies will win the World Series, I'll do it
(Ouroboros) Boston looks tough, I'm not going to predict anything. I'll give them a chance. What's the odd's makers have it at in Vegas?
(me) I haven't been checking the paper. I'll see if I can get the latest online. Do you want me to email you with the odds?
(Ouroboros) Sure, I'm just playing points, but willing to bet a long shot.
(me) Got it, I'll get back to you. chow, Derek
(Ouroboros) Peace out, OG
I feel that I should share this conversation I had with Ouroboros. I didn't want to have to call an all powerful god to prove my point, but you gotta you what you gotta do. Form follows function
Go Rockies!!!
Derek
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: |
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If you all are having some kind of contest of who the most insane among you is can we just declare it a tie and be done with it?
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