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AP
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| No, i get what you're saying, sure. But your example is of a career in which there IS a (different) specific degree. Perhaps in the US it's different, but in the UK many companies simply recruit *graduates*, i.e. purely on the basis of their 'transferable skills' (of which architecture gives us many), not being worried about what subject they did (in the UK ~50% of graduates are employed that way). So whilst mining may be out, if you apply to work in the civil service (immense employer), say, unless you're asking to be an IT bod or a translator they don't immediately care what subject you did. Just to what level. |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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okay i see what you are saying... and of course there are many such employment opportunities in the US as well...
i guess i would just think in such circumstances that degree titles and levels of accomplishment wouldn't be so important...
again i struggle to think of a career that would demand that you have completed some post-graduate work - let alone doctorate level work- before you would be eligible to apply... |
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MARDARCH
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: terminal degrees |
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I found the following exerpt on "terminal degrees"...courtesy...University of Washington:
"A terminal degree is the generally accepted highest degree in a field of study. While a doctorate is considered the terminal degree in most fields of study, other disciplines may consider different degrees as terminal degrees. Please check with the appropriate school/college or department to verify which degrees they consider to be terminal. "
Typical Terminal Degrees:
• Ph.D.
• M.D.
• D.D.S.
• D.D.M.
• D.V.M.
• J.D.
• M.F.A.
• M.Arch
So M.Arch and MFA are terminal but called "masters"?...and the fact that the NAAB has created a D.ARCH now makes M.ARCH look even less terminal. The titles need to be changed...no question. |
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AP
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Not least because a british student can (as I may have already said) get an MArch straight out of sixth form as a first degree. And then hop across the pond, with a "terminal degree" at aged 22.
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keyserni
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Degree-Masters-PhD
Anything less would take away all reasonable meaning inferred by the title Doctor of Architecture.
AP what first degree M.Arch course lasts 3 years in the UK? I know if you study in Scotland you can go from A levels to an M.Arch but the shortest course I've seen is 5 years.
For all intensive purposes an M.Arch is a terminal degree. If you want to practise in the UK you need an M.Arch. If you want to teach you can go and do a PhD. No practise in their collective right mind will hire a PhD student over an M.Arch student based solely on the fact one has a research based PhD. An applicant with a PhD will not be offered a higher salary in practise, in teaching yes. A PhD in Architecture in the UK is a teaching qualification. |
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AP
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| keyserni wrote: | | AP what first degree M.Arch course lasts 3 years in the UK? I know if you study in Scotland you can go from A levels to an M.Arch but the shortest course I've seen is 5 years. |
I was allowing 4 year, you're probably right with 5. Still, you can get that by 23 then - Just need a July/August birthday (1/6th the population has one). |
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keyserni
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| But would you not only be starting your PhD at 23 not finishing it? I'm not even sure how long an average PhD takes. Is there a standard or is it dependant on the institution, department, subject or funding etc? |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| had i been in a 4+2 M Arch i could have had a masters (or "D Arch") at 22... |
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MARDARCH
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:42 am Post subject: etc.. |
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I think many are getting confused.
Although I do feel all M.ARCH tracts should be D.ARCH, I am currently fighting for 3.5 M.ARCH tracts. THIS TRACT IS 4 YEARS OF UNDERGRADUATE PLUS 3.5 YEARS OF GRADUATE...WHICH EQUALS A TOTAL MINIMUM OF 7.5 YEARS. The academic dissertation is completed in the last year.
THIS tract currently qualifies in AMERICA for a rename to D.ARCH.
It is also important for me to RESTATE: THE D.ARCH IS INTENDED TO BE A RICHER, PROFESSIONAL DEGREE, AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE ON PAR WITH A PhD. THE D.ARCH IS A FIRST PROFESSIONAL DEGREE....The PhD is a second professional degree.
Once again, the 4+3+ M.ARCH programs currently are eligible to rename their programs to D.ARCH....so you can debate all you want over whether it is "just" or not...but the fact remains is that they are elligible and some Universities have already done it...I'm just trying to get all the Universities to follow the same standards...many are unaware that this change is possible. |
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MARDARCH
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: debate |
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I have this debate posted on the chronicle as well if any are interested in other responses.
It seems many are threatened by this change...mostly those who don't have the requirements or those with PhD's who feel that their degree is being "diminished" by the inflation of a "lower degree"...they all fail to realize that this is a simple title change...the D.ARCH is not meant to be on par with the PhD...so don't worry...your PhD will still be the "elite".. |
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MARDARCH
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: D.ARCH website |
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| Please visit the website, www.marchtodarch.com for news, literature, and updates on the M.ARCH to D.ARCH title change. Thank you. |
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