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This is a custom home on a 16 acre site.
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Fun looking project! I'm not crazy about the geometry or layout, especially when you have odd conditions like the clerestory inching into what looks like an office off the entrance, hallways with small angled walls, some spatial relationships that seem to be forced rather than intrinsic, and the large open space has a column that doesn't quite align itself with anything in particular. It seems you design intuitively which makes for very interesting spaces, mind you, which is always exciting to experience, however it comes with the added price of being questioned all the time. It's an issue of rationalization that is usually devoted to be expressed naturally...as in being self-explanatory. I'm imagining Libeskind going rustic...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: |
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I tied to stay completely fluid with this plan and let the minimum space requirements of each function dictate the layout to see how small I could get the total heated area and still meet the clients requirements. Yes that resulted in many "interesting" consequences.
Although the layout has some nice features overall it is still a work in progress.
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Here it is with about 200 sq. ft. more area. The clearstory/office conflict is one of those unintended interactions you get when you work with clients. I'm not sure it is bad though.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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And the revised renderings
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Much better on many levels but the office still bugs me, particularly since it just out into this large open central space unlike any other element in it, and the bedrooms seem way too tight for such a large property...I'd rather a smaller open space to lend to the bedrooms. But, that's MY opinion, I know...I'm sure at this stage, it starts narrowing down to something that the client likes... 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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The small bedrooms are 11x12 which is a bit bigger than average on this size house around here. We have made an effort to keep the area down on the house which is for a couple who's children are out. My parents made their guest bedroom smaller than this and I think it is still very workable.
The kitchen wall also projects out into the clearstory space. I think maybe the entry wall will stop at 72" or something though. The windows worked out fairly even 2 in the kitchen, 2 in the entry and one in the com. room. I like the window in there (of itself I think it will add to that space)
I suppose I could move the clearstory back to miss that room but that just does not appeal to me. I like the height of them now. It gives the elevation a lower horizontal feel and I think the light comes in at a better place now.
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The elevation should not be dictating the interior spaces, however if you "like" the dust-collecting shelf/ceiling above the office, that's your call as a designer. I liked what you did with the column and its relationship with the roof and space below...not sure why the entrance/kitchen and office couldn't share in similar feature and keep the space beneath the clerestory pure and cleanly delineated. But, that is just MY opinion.
As for the kitchen wall...that's another elemnt I'm not jumping up and down for...it will be a plane that just sticks out into and under the clerestory for no rhyme or relation, but to provide a place for hanging cabinets and collecting more dust. I'd draw a perspective looking back at that corner...see if its worth it.
And as for the bedrooms, 10x 10 rooms are about the smallest rooms you could possibly create...so adding a whopping 20 sq. ft. hardly makes for a "large" room. Perhaps it's simply my background but open spaces do create a nice flow of space between rooms...even begins to hint and one larger structure, if done correctly. If you're open to what I am implying, if you start looking at the clearestory ina different manner, like a central turret, it can be referenced throughout the design and you start to blur the lines between private and public...but I recommend still using glass for sound control (hint, hint)..
again, my opinion. Otherwise, still a very interesting project and fun to work on...enjoy!
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I don't know about the exterior dictating interior spaces. The two form a relationship and there is always give and take. I'm not sure what you mean about a dust collector over the office. The clearstory does not form a ledge there.
You mean make the office the same size as the kitchen so that the entry has one window and goes straight into the livingroom? Something like the attached drawing? That's not a bad solution I'll pass it by the client. I personally don't like it as much but who knows? Could just be bias though, you know when you get used to seeing something a certain way it doesn't feel right when you change sometimes. I think a little quirkiness is fun, I like the way the double doors go with the doors out to the porch, the openess, how the distinction between the living room and radio room start to blur and how the entry way works.
Again I'm not exactly following your kitchen wall comment. You mean whether it is worth having a wall there at all? The only question for me is should it extent up into the vaulted ceiling and I am currently thinking no.
You'll need to be a bit more specific on that last bit cause I don't follow that at all. What I think of is taking all the doors out and making it part of the main living area maybe with just some corners to form coves with beds for guests or something.
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I'm surprised you are open to my suggestions and not defensive...a nice change of pace. For that, I will elaborate for your consideration:
The clerestory typically has a beam that carries the load of the wall above and allowing for fenestration (windows) and usually this is done so that you can bring light in from a vertical surface, as opposed to a skylight. So either you are blocking the windows of the clerestory (check spelling) with a full height wall of the office, or the office has an indoor "roof"...hence my reference to the "dust collector".
The kitchen, again, is in reference to the clerestory; how does the wall relate to the clerestory/ceiling? It is clear that what is critically needed right now are sections (one cross & one longitudinal) thru the spaces.
As for the last bit, it has to do with a concept. If you have what I assumed will be half-height walls with a large open central space, this concept could be carried throughout the design with perhaps glazed openings at upper areas of all walls of the ancillary spaces (ie, bedrooms, office, bathrooms, etc)...effectively creating a spatial link between them..or at least in terms of light. That's why I recommended glazing, because at a minimum you will want sound control (privacy). Anyway, it's not an unusual design for the tropics, but it is stretching the idea of a neo-prairie styled home a bit far...it's just an idea I was exploring with your project. It may or may not have merit...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well no doubt I have a tendency to be defensive about my own work as most people are but I have always been open to constructive discussion. Mostly what I get when I post things like this are insults without any useful comments and when that happens I usually respond by hurling insults back.
I've always been open to other peoples ideas though as long as they keep a pleasant attitude. Two heads are almost always better than one.
I also have this posted on ppb2 and we are currently trading insults instead of engaging in intelligent discussion.
here is the front elevation:
I used the golden section to proportion the portico and a reduction formula to set the clearstory spacing.
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No right or wrong answer, but curious...why did you use the golden section?
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Well the portico is a classical structure and I thought it was appropriate. Wright blended classical ideas into his designs and also it is fun.
I am not a rigid person as far as organization goes. I would not go so far as to design on a fixed grid. I think a layout needs some flexibility, quirkiness, fluidity, etc.. I also like the idea of rhythm.
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I'm impressed with your response. I wonder if you can see the drastic difference between your elevation and floor plan, because of the lack of "order" (in the classical sense)...the golden section was used in everything, including the plans, sections, arches, windows, carvings...
...as a template that related all the elements and ultimately is why the classical buildigns look so perfectly proportioned at everye angle and every level of detail. It's no secret...but with the advent of reinforced concrete, the "plan libre" was introduced to the world and pushed architecture towards its meaningless drivel we often encounter.
That said, the pieces of the puzzle must all fit, and I find that the disconnect in your overall plan lays in your sections (that you have yet to draw and/or show). Keeping in mind your golden section helped lay the foudnation of your elevation which now has a very balanced feel to it, you could carry this idea into the section which in turn will greatly influence your plan.
Some architect begin with sections, long before they ever draw a floor plan. Afterall, we all experience space standing up, and not looking straight down at the floor...the vertical qualities are far more important than the plan and I feel the elements we've been discussing simply are awkward in the open space...AND I think you have a great opportunity to investogate the idea of open space connecting overhead, above the sightline, by creating openings at the upper portions of your demising walls (partitions), but at a minimum would still need to put in glass (think of these as very high interior windows). Think about the section thru the office for example...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I see the difference. (that's why I had already started on my excuses last post:)
I don't use sections much other than to look at structural issues. I do use my imagination to get a mental picture of what a space will look like though.
Here is the only section I currently have:
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