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When you so blindly repeat to yourself a lie, you begin to think it is the truth. You beleive that the computer is the salvation to your problems, to the worlds problems when in fact it is humans that err, it is humans that create....with or without computers. I am a big proponent of computers as I make a living with them...and as a part of architecture I have been arguing for its use as a tool (if you actually understood my discussion here about 'blob'), but ultimatelyu a computer does not replace the decision making process. It is the artist who decides what the shape, form, material, orientation, etc of the object shall be, not the hammer, the die, the forms, or computers...that's like saying a pen is better than a pencil. What about the idea being created? Where do you begin to find inspiration to create something, anything? I hope to God it's not your computer...
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| Quote: | | If you can't see how 3D-H can provide a perfect new house wherever, and with the nice side effect of a third the cost, gee who is oldfasion here, who is it that seem ignorant just to refuse some real creativity ??????? |
I can see how 3D can make the process better. I already said that months ago. But that's not important. A type-writer was better than pen and paper, just as a word processor on a computer is better than a type-writer, but the author still must find inspiration to write something beautiful. Does a computer allow an author to write better? No it doesn't. If you can't see that, then as usual....oh geez, why did i fall for this...?
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I just realized....I'm the crazy one...for subjecting myself...mea culpa!!
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" When you so blindly repeat to yourself a lie, you begin to think it is the truth. You beleive that the computer is the salvation to your problems, to the worlds problems when in fact it is humans that err, it is humans that create....with or without computers. I am a big proponent of computers as I make a living with them...and as a part of architecture I have been arguing for its use as a tool (if you actually understood my discussion here about 'blob'), but ultimatelyu a computer does not replace the decision making process. It is the artist who decides what the shape, form, material, orientation, etc of the object shall be, not the hammer, the die, the forms, or computers...that's like saying a pen is better than a pencil. What about the idea being created? Where do you begin to find inspiration to create something, anything? I hope to God it's not your computer...
mx2"
When I so blindly repeat myself my advance it , that what I talk about, is somthing easy to profit , that "architecture" today profit the expance of digital options is nonsense to claim, "Architecture don get better or even change, if you rewrite yestoday's methods and spreadsheets into another Lego thinking architect application.
Unless you can point that doing every structural matter, whatever thickness, scale and matter --- Gee this is the Tools for the actural artists when computers are around ; to form and create wonders you don't want to xist.
I don't get you Romans, but mx don't you think there are a chance I won the future ? |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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"I can see how 3D can make the process better. "
It just don't "make it better" , it offer fantastic options it put simple matrix calculations into efficient use , and yes it presant a new tool, one that by chance is easy to grasp , ask a simple production a simple but digital in a more promising way ; by producing the item not just plan how to buy it.
Ofcaurse 3D make the process better but it will be cheaper and stronger, now is That a bad side effect ? |
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mx2
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P.C., you may thouroughly enjoy the future as your sole prize and claim to fame! All Hail Per Correll!!
I guarantee you one thing...architecture will never become automated. Building might, but we still need the creative minds to imagine the possibilities, far BEYONDthe computers...
The difference with you P.C. is that your world is IN the computer...you're stuck. Do you take your computer outside with you?
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"But ultimatelyu a computer does not replace the decision making process. It is the artist who decides what the shape, form, material, orientation, etc of the object shall be,"
Yes --- who else, lazy craftsman who just want to place the lazyest universal fitting caursing expensive use of too long profiles ? Gee modern mechanics even there are cheaper than lazy craftsmanship , Still you claim that a replacement structure ,for Catrina is no item to talk about , Realy the "hammer" of today is a laser cutter the tape measure are an AutoCAD or IntelliCAD , You Romans already won, you just refuse to see it.
" not the hammer, the die, the forms, or computers...that's like saying a pen is better than a pencil. "
What id it is, but it is not.
"What about the idea being created? Where do you begin to find inspiration to create something, anything? I hope to God it's not your computer... "
I told again and again "I am no architect" , I attemt a profesional aproach by challancing with arguments , --- ofcaurse I know what bored web fanatics "expect" when they turn these discussions into their only reality, throw some mud and svine on , while important issues relevant solutions is met with the only apprenchip a few of these lame web charecters gave this fora.
As it's "property" --- as soon some clever suggestion is on, the true charecter of "Architecture" is to be read in words ,documented as the sad facts that today no one want to make money, even the students are to lazy.
" The resistance is in your Mind your perception --"
No it's in your fingers , your Bank account and the pain it make acturly paying the money, mx I tell you real artists alway's lived like this. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Mx don't ask me to describe perception , it could happen I can describe it.
Your perception of me even fit Lego vise into the excentric charecter who with humor and joy step all the wrong toes and say all the wrong things, still revie a vision an actural digital method, that you reconise could be promped 20 years from now as a genious solution.
I fit perfect into your perception , now think again you see me as a disturped promotor of an acvanced computer generated structure type, --- you expect me things I never charged I live a plesant live creative but joy full of creativity , I fit every spot in your emagination , then what it's yours not mine.
If you was not under your perception of "the person" I am , a person you would never guess anyway , if you could see beyond your here and now perception of a person who created the perfect digital tool, like it or not but have you ever tried some arguments for a Better Method ?
Shall I understand your claims this way no room for fancy nice Designs , and develobing new methods is not as "Fine" as sibling for comford attemting to have abilities by fighting the guy, who happen to perfect the actural mean ? Have academics realy become so "Fine" that now the only true craft is that of fake and the mean of harassing ?
Just to keep the beast away, the beast of a bright future new jobs, cheap houses and jobs even for the next generation. |
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Please continue to worship yourself...soon, you shall correct all of God's imperfections with your precious 3D-H and super-computer. I have far more admiration for the artist who creates beautiful things out of mud with their hands...and all the glory of its imperfections!! It is not a Roman way, it is a human way...
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mx it realy vorry me and blondly I must ask, as I am seriously vorried ; do you deal with Architecture or is you here becaurse you fancy design and think you shuld be as good as anyone ?
Reson I am vorried that if you are an architect --- and please let me add, that _none of the Architects I know is so splendly handsome and creative as described in this fora ever, ---- but even real people don't meet your expertations of creative artists ,architects whatever, then look at your own sad obsession in everything stoneage, just for the antique value of it.
By fact you want a future build in mud, rather than a bright future, where all the young people can use their computer reson ; you don't like it.
Still you participate in a discussion about architecture and can't participate with one single progressive idea. Acturly you want the progress to backstep as mud is better than having a decent cheap house.
You apply a reson for backstepping still do you realise how Hippievise your claims are , how in fact backstriving and robbing skilled young people from their rightborn rights ???? Please mx what is your Real resons to fight good new idears ,to hinder progress and visions far ahead what you ever would percive ? |
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Sorry mx I find your vision sad. ------- To participate in a discussion with the agends to strike anything you don't understand is sad enough, the perspective if you realy are profesionaly engaged are even sader , in a profession that shuld deal with perfection and doing good for mankind claim, that people rather suffer and be without any hope is even vorse, esp. as the reson for that, is _your_ missing sensation.
But this is the WEB you could be a retired cycle mechanic from LasVegas who joy yourself clashing the few Hippies, that _Must_ surface the most Hippievise place you would emagine --- then it's just waiting for the first guy "who think he is somthing, and retire behind a fake signature.
The problem though, is that I know a lot of architects, and it realy is a vorry of mine, how stiffneck and backstriving they are.
Designers are better than architects. |
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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The eye of the beholder...computers do not imagine such possibilties!
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of mud houses...
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Perhaps this is our future, in response to saving the planet: 
http://www.tdrinc.com/ecol.html
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