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Donald
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 Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:35 am Post subject: Extreme Weather or a Natural Disaster |
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We've all been glued to the screens for the past few weeks watching the amazing stories that began with the Indonesian earthquake and ensuing tsunamis .. and worked right through rain, snow and mud slides in California. Tonight CNN is going to run a one-hour special on "extreme weather" events. The bad news is that the special is going to be hosted by Aaron Brown, the only television newscaster who comes close to Bill Moyers in terms of arrogance.
The sorry part of the story is that CNN will most likely show examples of what is termed a "weather condition" in their slanted efforts, when in fact it should be classified as a Geologic impact if it has to do with earthquakes or shifts in the earths crust, and an Oceanographic impact if it is a tsunami or tidal wave type occurance.
Now .. a little wager. What do you want to bet that there's going to be something in this program that will suggest that global warming might have something to do with these extremes in weather? And do you think that Aaron Brown will realize that an earthquake or a tsunami is not weather  |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:59 am Post subject: |
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i hope they don't make the mistake of attributing tsunamis to global warming.... that would be pretty sad
anyone see the discovery channel special about how if one of the sides a volcano making up the canary islands were to break off there would be like a 500ft tall tsunami that would hit the east coast.....pretty crazy stuff |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Donald, now that the show has aired, would you care to apologize for this particular bit of your invented criticism and groundless rumor mongering? |
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SDR
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| Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Moyers, a thoughtful and hardworking reporter trying to make sense of the venality and duplicity all around us. . .arrogant? Really? Yes, and he's probably having an affair with Hilary Clinton, too!
If responsible scientists haven't yet convinced you that global warming is an inconvenient reality to be confronted and dealt with (not ignored and denied), maybe you'd like to see that denial added to the one about evolution, and placed on stickers in schoolbooks in Georgia?
C'mon, now, we're in the twenty-first century. It's too late to retreat to a sweet, imaginary "perfect past." There never was such a thing, anyway; today's problems are just a little starker, maybe. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. . .
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Architorture
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| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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the stickers were accurate in calling evolution a theory... that is what it is after all..."the theory of evolution" its just that they had to add the part "evolution is a theory, not a fact" had they quit at "evolution is a theory" it probably would have gotten by without a problem...
eitherway...i heard someone call it a tidal wave today on the news...which a tsunami is not...but oh well |
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Donald
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:29 am Post subject: |
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As the imperial DC rules and regulations require of me, I am so sorry of my misprediction from last weeks accusation of aaron brown making something out of nothing. Sorry I missed the show, but I'll take your word for it KM.
| Quote: | | responsible scientists haven't yet convinced you that global warming is an inconvenient reality to be confronted and dealt with |
When the scientists can come up with the good reasons of how this global warming has had the same effect on Mars, is when I will jump on the GWbandwagon...until then don't hold your braeth.
Georgia has arguably the worst government schools in the nation. Earlier this year they decided that the quality of education in Georgia government schools could be vastly improved if they would just remove the word "evolution" from classrooms and textbooks. Instead of "evolution," it was to be "biological changes over time." It was to be a nice little victory for fundamentalists who think the Bible is a scientific textbook, and fodder for those around the rest of the country who like to portray the South as ignorant. Just last week, the school districts were ordered by the courts to remove all the stickers, after the government schools lost in the suit against them. Don't government schools have better things they can be doing with their time  |
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SDR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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There is an increasing sector of the American public who believe (mislead by their political and religious "leaders") that a theocracy here would be a fine idea, Constitutional proscriptions to the contrary be damned. (Pun intended)
News stories in the past week have pointed to certain low-lying island nations (not ones affected by the tsunami) which are threatened with extinction by virtue of rising sea levels, which have already been documented in widely varying locations around the globe. Other recent news has concerned major reductions in the historic size of certain glacier masses. The connection between these two trends is inescapable, as is their association with global warming. Of course, those are merely scientists who bring these things to our attention, not biblical prophets, so one needs to discount the information accordingly. . . |
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Donald
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Wev'e gone over this in past posts and lets review again:
According to past international studies released, global warming over the next half-century could result in the extinction of more than one million species. "A quarter of all species of plants and land animals, or more than a million in all, could be driven to extinction," this according to Chris Thomas, professor of Conservation Biology at England's University of Leeds.
The difference with this story is that they're not really calling it "global warming" any more. Now the magic buzz words are "climate change." Why the change? Because more and more people are coming to understand that there is not one single piece of empirical evidence out there that anything that mankind is doing on the face of this globe is leading to any warming of the Earth's atmosphere. We may well be going through a period where the Earth is warming up a degree or two; but we're going through this period at the very same time that the Sun has shown increased activity. To put it into terms SDR could understand ... Sun gets hotter, Earth gets hotter. It's been happening since the dinosaurs....hence the ice melts, just as it has been melting on Mars...but the martians aren't screaming global warming or climate change
Is anyone else getting tired of these ridiculous, often taxpayer-funded "studies?" Here we go with more front-page headlines screaming ultimate catastrophe. When is someone going to do a documentary showing how most of these environmental interest groups have become polluted with a mangy collection of socialists, and other anti-capitalists who have decided that phony environmentalism is as good a way as any to destroy free enterprise and the industrialized West. Brilliant strategy, actually. If you oppose their anti-capitalistic agenda it means you want dirty air, dirty water, and the extinction of millions of species.
I'd like to know when we can predict the extinction of bored, anti-capitalist liberals in the science community that are always inventing junk science to prop up their half-baked theories |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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One big problem with putting stickers saying 'evolution is a theory' into grade school textbooks is that while the statement is literally true in the scientific use of the word "theory", it is most certainly not true in the colloquial use of "theory".
In science, gravity is a theory, too. "Science" is literally the discipline of knowing things, and as such, science embodies the understanding that there is no truly absolute knowledge. This is in no way an admission of weakness, but simply the deepest realism. In science, the
"theory of evolution" is as proven and accepted as any other scientific fact. It is not an optional aspect of our knowledge about biology, but a basic foundation.
Colloquially, though, a 'theory' is understood as a provisional, unproven proposal, not a fact at all. The stickers are part of a deceptive word game, taking the scientific use of a phrase and putting it into a colloquial realm with the knowledge and intent that it will be interpreted differently there: misinterpreted.
And of course the next creationist move is to say that the "intelligent design" hypothesis is a theory too, and therefore deserving of equal standing in the classroom. Whereas in the scientific world, there is no 'theory of intelligent design'. That set of thin new make-up on the old creationist contentions is merely an article of uninformed faith.
In this 21st century, in the good old USA, what ones knows and how one knows it, standing by words and their settled meanings, moving decisively beyond the pat mislabelings so prevalent in contemporary ideological marketing, are fundamental ethical issues.
These ethics of knowledge and language are a fundamental requirement for honest and fact-based discourse, on which the survival of our society will ultimately depend. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: Facts on Global Warming and Global Climate Change |
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This is an absolutely false statement:
| Donald wrote: | | Because more and more people are coming to understand that there is not one single piece of empirical evidence out there that anything that mankind is doing on the face of this globe is leading to any warming of the Earth's atmosphere. |
And this 'summary' has basically nothing to do with the actual understanding embodied in broad scientific consensus about global warming and climate change:
| Donald wrote: | | We may well be going through a period where the Earth is warming up a degree or two; but we're going through this period at the very same time that the Sun has shown increased activity. To put it into terms SDR could understand ... Sun gets hotter, Earth gets hotter. It's been happening since the dinosaurs... |
That's not what is going on; that's not what scientisits say is going on.
(Maybe someone on Fox Infotaintment says it though.)
Here's a link that lists "some notable scientific institutions and studies that have found that industrial emissions are causing global warming":
http://www.ems.org/climate/facts.html
(It's not an original source - merely a convenient compliation of links to some of the very many original sources, including the American Geophysical Union, the National Academy of Sciences, a group of group of sixteen other national academies of science, which said, "Despite increasing consensus on the science underpinning predictions of global climate change, doubts have been expressed recently about the need to mitigate the risks posed by global climate change. We do not consider such doubts justified." and so on, in addition to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).)
And why has the general usage been changed from "Global Warming" to "Global Climate Change"? Primarily to counteract the exploitation of simple confusion around the idea that while there is in fact marked overall warming, there are within that overall average local areas which become cooler.
Just because the earth's biosphere is getting warmer overall, doesn't mean your particular place is.
And any hemming and hawing about one particular set of storms, or even any one season, is just a joke - and an utter waste of breath.
Another thing the survivial of our society may depend upon is increased ability to comprehend statistical realities. Seems to be a hard one for many people. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| One other thing - I do appreciate the apology, Donald, regarding the posting that started this thread. Thank you. |
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Donald
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:55 am Post subject: |
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The "global warming " jihad continues...even though much of the country is buried in snow with record-breaking temperatures, the global warming police are still out in full force. I'm sure the folks up in Boston could use a little global warming right about now.
The problem, of course, with the anti-capitalist climate change gurus is that they lack any real scientific proof for their views...or can produce any computer models without flaws. It certainly doesn't let that stop them. It matters not that the environmental extremism justifies the left's political agenda. And so the "climate change" (which some of us used to call winter) is now going to be hijacked and used as proof that a global warming catastrophe is just around the corner. Winter is caused by global warming. And when it gets warmer this coming summer that will be blamed on global warming also.
A report coming out from the Institute for Public Policy Research in Britain, the Centre for American Progress in the United States and the Australia Institute is going to push as much doom and gloom as possible. It was no doubt timed to be released just before the disastrous Kyoto treaty (which thankfully, the United States did not sign) goes into effect next month:
http://www.ippr.org.uk/press/index.php?release=352
Once the Johnny Carson tributes subside, get ready for full-scale media indoctrination about the dangers of global warming ... and remember the true goal here, to damage or cripple the United States economically. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Donald, Donald, Donald. . .How can a man speak so reasonably about professional issues (as you do) yet become hysterical over perceived threats to your political beliefs? Again and again we are treated to wildly overstated or completely fabricated "positions" and "claims" by those who think differently than you do, apparently in order to give you a bigger and uglier "enemy" to rail against. This tendency to exaggerate the opposition's statements, and to invent arguments never made by anyone that either faction would consider credible, points inevitably to a serious "credibility deficit" on your part. While we all feel strongly about our respective positions and beliefs, none of us can hope to change hearts and minds by employing fabrication and hyperbole. Isn't that your intention?
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Donald
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Read between the lines in the web posted of this group made up of politicians, business leaders and academians and notice that there are No Scientists in that group discussing their topic "Meeting the Climate Changes"....a group of wonderkinds and eggheads and promising that we have 10 years to make the best of our environment...or else? Will the real Tony Blair please stand up?? |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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The real Tony Blair has stood up.
Britain's Jack Straw issued a 200-page dossier just before Bush's Ignoration showing that the case being fabricated against Iran by America is a fake.
Blair has told your President that the little toss-pot will be doing his next gig on his own - Britain will not be joining America in Iran.
You say "no scientists" are discussing climate change, but on another of your postings you actually refer to something from the journal "Nature". Who would people trust more on a scientific matter - the respected journal Nature, or you ? (We won't have a poll on the subject - you don't like them if they don't come out as you want: bit like Iraqi democracy, ain't it ?)
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