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cousineddie Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 58	Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: traditional new home project - part deux cousinbirgco asked me to hep him out a spell, seems he cant post no more picktures, so let's see if I can. Besides, I did more than help with the projek, but hell never admit it. 2 foot roof overhangs serve two purposes. First they keep the summer sun from reaching the windows until later in the afternoon. Second, large overhangs protect the exterior from excessive precip during heavy rains and eliminate the need for curtain wall design and construction. The exterior will be sided with 1 x 8 center-matched tongue and groove cypress, a durable wood that readily accepts solid stain for weather and uv protection.    Filesize:  197.41 KB  Filename:  may 23 roof overhang.jpg  Viewed:  181 Time(s)
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cousineddie Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 58	Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Before there was central airconditioning, porches helped with relief from summer heat. Combined with an open upper roof hatch, the front and back porches provide cooler air to move warmer air up and out.    Filesize:  171.72 KB  Filename:  sm pict.porch view.jpg  Viewed:  166 Time(s)
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csintexas millennium club Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 2174 Location: USA	Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Large overhangs do not eliminate the need for "curtain walls" which I translate into good drainage planes. Good flashing details are crucial to the performance of all exterior surfaces regardless of their exposure. _________________ -Chris Stewart http://bcshdb.blogspot.com > The B/CS Home Design Blog
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cousinbirgco Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 148	Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Chris, my definintion of curtain wall for this application, refers to a separate space between the housewrap and the siding which some people create for draining water or condensation getting behind the siding. I have never worried about it and never had any call backs because of water getting through or behind wood siding. I made the point here because with large overhangs, there is less precip on the siding, and therefore even less concern, (at least in my opinion) of water getting past the siding and needing the space or extra drainage plane to escape or dryout. (and btw, I'll sic cousineddie on you if you're goin to be cranky)
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csintexas millennium club Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 2174 Location: USA	Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: I ain't tryin to be cranky naw! gosh darnit I just wanted to clarify that large overhangs do not replace good building practices. _________________ -Chris Stewart http://bcshdb.blogspot.com > The B/CS Home Design Blog
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cousinbirgco Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 148	Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Agreed.
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cousineddie Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 58	Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Another view of the decorative/functional overhangs. Soffit vent is tucked up between the rafter tails.    Filesize:  160.12 KB  Filename:  small pict rafter tails.jpg  Viewed:  169 Time(s)
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cousineddie Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 58	Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: soffit vent is installed through the top of the soffit box before the last piece of roof sheathing is installed.    Filesize:  156.17 KB  Filename:  sm pict soffit vent.jpg  Viewed:  168 Time(s)
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nanrehvasconez Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 329	Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: 2 foot roof overhangs serve two purposes. First they keep the summer sun from reaching the windows until later in the afternoon. Second, large overhangs protect the exterior from excessive precipitation during heavy rains and eliminate the need for curtain wall design and construction. The exterior will be sided with 1 x 8 center-matched tongue and groove cypress, a durable wood that readily accepts solid stain for weather and uv protection. Roof overhangs or eaves where though to be a way to control the temperature of a home prior to the use of HVAC, the truth is that landscape (trees and shrubs) where placed to provide temperature control for the home. Frank Lloyd Wright designed many homes with three feet wide eaves in which case there where a temperature and light control features. Recently the use of roof overhangs in hurricane zones is being discouraged because this decorative feature is detrimental to the integrity of the roof, eaves provides a stop to the uplift wind forces that rips the roofs off. In fire zones the same, roof overhangs are discouraged and/or redesigned eliminating the fascia board, because in firestorms again the roof overhang provides a pocket where the hot ambers are caught eventually burning the building. The eave vents have to be approved by the fire marshal. I should start acknowledging that some identical things called different names in the west coast, in the northeast or in the Midwest. What you are referring as "curtain wall" actually is a veneer wall applied as the building siding after PVC wrap is installed. "Curtain wall" is a non-bearing wall supported by overhead and/or lateral means (thus the name curtain), curtain walls are usually framed with light weight metal studs in the facade of a multi story building in which the structure is supported by a core system or post an beam structure.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: I'm cranky. What makes it traditional? _________________ n/a
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cousinbirgco Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Posts: 148	Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Well actually, to be more precise, the design is inspired by the traditional style of American Gothic Revival. Much of the detailing you see in this house can be found in the Dover Publication reprints of Downing and Vaux. I would describe it as a vernacular carriage house, but cousineddie likes to call it a barn. He says I'm prone to "puttin on aires", but what does he know anyway. I'm going to post some flashing details for cs, otherwise he may think me and cousineddie are a couple of schlubs.
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cousineddie Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 58	Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: well I'll be, is that you Mr. Djswan? You remember ole cousineddie? Well, I remember you. You were that right friendly type feller who talked to cousineddie when no body else would cause they think Im jist an ole country boy. Now my cousinbirgco, he's not right friendly like you, why when I tries to tell him a little story or show him how to do somethin the smart way, he jist yells at me, get back to work. He's not that smart anyway as he thinks he is. I showd him how to join them yankee gutters, Lord I hate that name, but anyway, he's pretty good with a paper and pencil but he dont know nuthin about buildin stuff. Now lemme tell you sumthing, what's traditional about this project is that a lot of things were built on the job the ole timey way. Its more like carpinter gothik, I don't know about much of the fancy words some of these cityslickers use, but thats the best way to my way of thinking of tellen you what its all about.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: It looks like a stick frame. When did stick frames become tradition? _________________ n/a
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cousineddie Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 58	Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Well I'll be, see now that's what I'm talkin about, askin cousineddie a question when nobody ever cares to git my opinion. That's right friendly of you, mister, much obliged. See now, in these here parts, stick framin been a tradition for a long, long time. Matter of fact, its pretty near much an American invention. See, it started out as sumthing called balloon framin, back in the 1800's. That's where them vertical studs, run all the way up to the roof rafters and the floors was hung on the studs. Back then, you had real 2 ba 4, not these skinny little things they sell now. Now the problem with this was that it was real bad if there were to be a fire cause it would spread real fast up them stud spaces with nuthin to be stoppin it. Kinda like a polecat in a hay barn. Also, sometimes the notch the floor beams was let inta came loose and the floor got to sagging. (kinda like my ole aunt Thelma) So as it were, someone come up with the idea of framing each floor sepretly. That was called, best I recollect, Western platyform framing. I reckon it was a bit stronger two causin you had each floor restin on the next, kinda like stackin blocks. Now all this goes back a spell fore my time but most of the houses here were stick framed weather it be balloon or western. Im mighty particular towards the western style if you know what i mean. So that's cousineddies tale about the tradition of stick framing in these here parts. Now iffen I tried to tell cousinbirgco bout what I knowd bout all this stuff, he wouldn't be listenin nor learnin a lick, no sirree if you know what i mean. Hope you learned somethin about our traditions and anytime you need to knowd anythin, you just ask ole cousineddie. Bye fer now.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: It was sawmills, Edward. Pitsawn studs aren't easy to make. What was the traditions in your area before the stick framing? _________________ n/a
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