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jeanneleez
Joined: 01 Nov 2004
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I have a stupid question. Where are the utilities, kitchen and bath, or are we to assume the occupants don't bathe, eat or crap? What is your definition of a house? This seems to be more of a permanent "tent"...
I LOVE the concept and want to build a small house as described, but these three things take up lots of space and money...
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Peter Camilleri
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: Low Cost Housing |
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Ah!!! Yes a very good question.
But in order to give the correct answer it is very important to consider how the house is to be used and where it is to be used. Is it being built in a place where there are water and sewer facilities? If the answer were no then the toilet and bathing facilities would generally be external to the house. Same goes for cooking, is the place where the house is being built in a serviced area. Is gas available? Is electricity available etc...
This house originally originated from an invitation to tender from the Indian Government. Large volumes of these houses were to be built in a community environment with shared facilities. To these people shelter was the most important. Get people out of the weather. The size and shape of the dwelling was dictated by the government specification. These houses were to be built in clusters of fifteen. Each cluster would have one watering well with a hand pump and one block of toilet facilities. As for kitchens the government specification made no requirement due to the fact that cooking was generally carried out outside over open fire and again in a community type environment.
The things that you mention actually do not take up a great deal of space and flat pack kitchen cupboards and toilets do not cost a great deal. What does cost vast amount in a kitchen is the appliances. Considering that many of these people referred to in this proposal can barely afford to eat it is unlikely that they would consider the need for fancy western appliances.
After saying all that I still believe that with designers and suppliers working together a complete house including bathing, cooking and crapping can be achieved for the $2,000.00 figure that I have quoted here.
Regards,
Peter C |
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HSN_FATHY
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Architorture
millennium club
Joined: 31 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| you do realize that most architects with any reasonable amount of knowledge either in sustainable design or cost effective design know who fathy is and what he has done... |
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lightingpro
Joined: 29 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:25 am Post subject: NO. No. no. NOOOO! |
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| NO. NOR would I live in such a carved out indian dwelling. This is america. People are free to work. Having the second most important part of your life worth less than a nice TV is not my lifestyle. Keep them. |
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wolfclan
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
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Peter I had a brief e-discussion a few years back regarding your design and our ceramic insulation coatings as your project appealed to me personally.
You are to be commended for your persistence in your attempts to provide a solution to the homeless.
It is a shame that others with their own agendas place themselves high upon their selfdesigned pedestals just because it makes them feel good. |
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chitradeep
Joined: 17 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: Low Cost Housing |
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Hello Peter Camilleri,
Read your post about a year later. Interesting. By this time you may be supplying your design to India incase you have been short listed.
I have been working in the field of `Low Cost Housing' for the past 10 years now. I have workled in various parts of India. Chances are that what is low-cost in Australia, may not work in India. I saw your section, it has ply!!!! Ply does not work here. It will rot in rains. Water proofing the ply .... well cost implications need to be checked out.
at the same time in order for it to be low cost... local conditions are very essential to be noted.
Bye
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Chitradeep Sengupta |
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dadmoonbunny
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:57 am Post subject: Thankfulness and a suggestion |
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Peter,
I originally came to this site searching for an answer to the design and manufacture of a honeycomb laminate housing panel. I found and read your housing articles on 100.00 housing. I hope I have that right.
Anyway, I have a suggestion. It may increasee the overall initial cost, but in the long run, it also may decrease assembly training and time. Mind you, I hold no degrees in anything. I just have a mind that thinks how to improve anything mechanical.
Would it be possible to cut your panels in such a way that you could provide a lock together system similar to the way a jigsaw puzzle goes together. If a joint could be engineered to be cut on either a water jet or cnc machine, you could speed up the process, lower the time in assembly and also training costs and time in that particular area as well.
Here in the states, a lot of folks have turned to building smaller, more efficient living quarters, so please do not take offense at all of those bigger-is-better types. they are not real value producers. Keep up the good work, and I hope to see you blossom into a great supplier in this field. |
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