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Kevin Matthews
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Architorture
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| i wonder when they will stop allowing prefab houses from being put up in florida? |
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P.C.
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Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Denmark
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| Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hii
Today there are other way's to project a building structure than only seing it as an assembly of frames and plybox wall building blocks as how the quality is today.
But the problem is that there are limits putting two timbers together, esp when they are un plained wet and better suited for paper mass ,than structure under the roof. ---- There are a limit for how low the craftmanship can go, as far as I am told acturly I am often stunned as even I will not se it, it do exist.
As I know wood and practiced the general assembly methods not just thise banging fittings full of nails so please exchouse, but I rely on quite strict measures when it come to actural crafts, nothing can be made good enough, and the few times it work, it is arts not craft.
Still I am sure many will agrea ,when I say houses could be made stronger.
If you Romans would just realise that digital do work, and you is not nessery forced to put it all down on paper, to engage the same workforce, to do it just as cramped but producing a new architecture and new jobs.
Even future is scary it acturly work ; there are new jobs in new building methods, it make sense producing a home at a cost people can pay, you se you make money that way ,much more than fiddeling to have 100 sq.meter family flat, cost 4 mill. and make it stand emty.
Now the lame plyboxes don't hold the winds , what about producing them better cheaper and stronger, what about some new jobs so somone can buy while the money still work, all you need is innovation and visions.
New technology can mirror your expertations if you just open your mind, it is possible to make use of the computer, --- realy the computer is not just sad trouble and a lot of efford just to become even more confused, the computer realy can project both nice and safer houses, all it ask is your best promises and trust in new jobs and a better architecture ,realy must we se our hero's being computer less designers in the 20 and 30' USA. When is computers freed from sad visions in paper when the media is 3D not 2D for heaven sake.
Students people who lived in the city their whole life ,have children who need a place to live now they got that education, the jobs promised with the fancy digital educations without job looking for a place to live ------- Realy is this your better bid Romans ; a world of glass and steel with only attitude, not even a relevant design idear just fancy forms , make for fantasy families ,as no real family will ever be able to spend that, this be the political force behind it simple arogance , don't say copenhagen stand back for any other city concerning cold postmodern monsters, but here it is a matter of sense -- they say there are a meaning to it ,a meaning to putting up houses no one can pay as attitude rather than structure acturly only attitude and no structure it's to difficult you se, the problem the only problem is in the head of the Mayor.
Now if you wasn't forced to make plywood houses as how they confirm ,make it this fasion, it only ask sheet materials, this could be steel sheet or plywood sheet. What about thinking about new building methods that will produce cheaper stronger houses and make use of a real new building method, one that is as digital as anything can be.
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thewhitedogdad
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:40 am Post subject: Other building methods for hurricanes |
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Although it might not be a "cool" product metal skinned SIP's (Structural Insulated Panels) did quite well in Punta Gorda, although there is only one, this house survived quite well. As far as building codes I saw brand new block structures blown down.
I'm not sure of the exact loads but block construction not only has to survive the wind loads it also has to be able to this when it's integraty is violated by flying objects. Once a block wall has damage from flying objects it loses considerable strength. However the metal skin of a SIP when struck by a flying object it is far less likely to be penatrated and if it is the overwhelming strength of the wall is still intact, but the ability of metal to stretch and dent when stuck it is far less likely to be penatrated.
As a former general contractor I have seen another problem with block contruction. When elctricians mount boxes on block walls they use a hammer and knock holes into a block then TapCon the box to the wall or screw the box to a furring strip. Any block they do this to is automaticly weakened considerably and this is considered an acceptable practice by code. Now if block is filled with concrete this problem is corrected, but this method also has problems, due to the fact there is no way of ensuring that there are no voids in the fill. Block is good for insect resistance it is not a good choice for wind load. The answer is construction methods that give the integraty of block, but is not so vunerable to flying object damage. BTW if you thing I'm wrong please see what happens when you take a hammer to concrete block.
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thewhitedogdad
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:43 am Post subject: manufactured housing in Florida |
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I agree with the post about manufactured housing. I think there may come a day when manufactured housing is no longer allowed in Florida.
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P.C.
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Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Denmark
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Hi
Sorry about my lack of knowleage, but when you say "block" and later on point to filling it with concrete I realy would like a more precice description of the materials for the block, ---- guess you se why as buildings are different than here in Dk.
Also I wonder as "strength" and resistance of a structure depend on many factors ----- ofcaurse more mass to the block will stop flying objects but then more weight also ask a different structure and make a limit.
I just try realise where the weak points are, is it the lack of material weight or lack of structural strength or do the quality of the structure suffer when the panel blocks get cheaper made.
Is it so that that little material and so bad craft go into it, that structuraly the house suffer as now when less weight ,the basic structure can be made even cheaper . ------ Please se my suggestion about the structure as a suggestion to still be able to mass manufactor ,but in another way that bring different options instead of just continue making the tradisional systems do the houses in way's that show foults when nature show.
Isn't this about the way small firms compeed to produce somthing that leave no way to develob somthing better, way's to perform a wall as cheap as possible placed as fast as possible making the building last very few years and difficult to rebuild. My attitude is to provide a strong framework and build ontop that in the quality you ask, then even the house burn down, there still be a steel framework to rebuild and a way to place new walls. |
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thewhitedogdad
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Building Hurricane Survival |
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| What I am talking about when I say Block is a 8" concrete block. |
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barryhunter
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