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usarender
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 Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: An Incomplete Model |
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I find this discussion amusing. It has certainly shown that the reductionist statement "Form Follows Function" is being incorrectly quoted and perpetrated in architecture, and is an incomplete model, as we have demonstrated in other discussions as well, including the one on concept in architecture.
Truly architects get it "Wright", when they state Form and Function must be one. The form must blend in such a way that it becomes one with function and the function becomes an integral part of the form, in a well resolved solution, comparable to a " spiritual union" , as one is not complete without the other. The two complement each other in a beautiful way. Function gives sense and meaning to form. Form expresses the intent and meaning of the function. So they must speak in unison.
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P.C.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I find detail to be as important, it is not automatic so that the design become nice, just becaurse it is practic ; the parking standers in Copenhagen a terrible example of the right boxes put together into the most ugly thing in the world that act in the function of parkometer automat ; theclock being a small black display where the light in it, make it difficult to read the clock when the light to help this , is on. With my baby it would simular "nesessety act densety" , meaning the densety and material of the framework are decided by the call for strength.
Sorry I stay in the terms, but you don't know how important that revolution is. How important it is to start using other way's to act form as structure and function as side effect. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Goog to see |
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| I am happy to hear you are considering alternate materials for the baby, as I had suggested previously. I see you have taken heed and embarked on new directions and means to achieve it. |
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P.C.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Well life is absurt -- right now the thing I has to find out, is how to change a keyboard to russian charecters ; I don't think that will be difficult, then small lables must exist to glue to a standard keyboard but, ontop I also has to find a charecter set for hand-written russian , and maybe that mean constructing a number of charecters to place in a private charecter set file for windows to change to , as there are a difference between the russian printed and the russian hand written letters, --- all this to end up presaving the education ministry that russian exame can be done by keyboard for students who can not write by hand. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Wright seems to have been two people in one: the Designer, and the Publicist.
He wasn't the only architect to struggle to find words for his architectural moves, but he's an excellent example. Function was not nearly as important to him as form, I believe, but he knew the power of words and -- like any poet -- understood that his aesthetic intuition alone might not be enough to guarantee a living. Potential clients need to believe that their money is being spent wisely. . .
I'm a life-long fan of Wright the Designer; Wright the Publicist I take with a grain of salt, as they say.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| SDR wrote: | | Potential clients need to believe that their money is being spent wisely. . . |
And tastefully, as you may agree.
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P.C.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Oh yes -- simple day's many years ago. Now you expect today's trend setters to be exactly as how things worked so many years ago ?
Back when those things was new and revolusionary, Oh how much easier to be a fan of Bethowen and Bach than to support the new music ; oh no forgot, the new music must be fought , it's individuals answered with fraud and fierce conservative bitching and if they don't say the words you expect, just put them in their mouth.
I know ; remember , gone from idealistic newthinking and acturly serious profesional academic, to desilusioned realist.
But SDR it's perfectly allright with old hero's , but think about it, those day's are over and today's visionary are up against a complete different agenda ; true the fierce attacks are still there to justify the filth, it has allway's been like that , but realy I thought you would know what visionary and newthinking allway's been up against . I thought you learned that I did. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: Louis Sullivan - Form ever follows function |
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"Form follows function" should be attributed to Louis Sullivan, Frank LLoyd Wright's mentor. See the entire biography of Sullivan at
http://architect.architecture.sk/louis-henry-sullivan-architect/louis-henry-sullivan-architect.php
Here is part of the text about Sullivan:
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But in his 1896 essay Louis Henry Sullivan had one more point to make, the most important point of all. Working from the particular to the general, Louis Henry Sullivan advanced his "final, comprehensive formula" for the solution of the skyscraper problem, indeed, of all architectural problems. All things in nature had shapes, forms, and outward appearances "that tell us what they are, that distinguishes them . . . from each other," Louis Henry Sullivan asserted. "Unfailingly in nature these shapes express the inner life," and when analyzed reveal that "the essence of things is taking shape in the matter of things." Life seeks form in response to needs, the life and the form being "absolutely one and inseparable." "Where function does not change," Louis Henry Sullivan insisted, "form does not change," so it was "the pervading law of all things . . .that form ever follows function. That," Louis Henry Sullivan emphasized, "is the law". With the Wainwright Building and the assertion of "form follows function," Louis Sullivan 's place in architectural history was assured.
Between 1890 and 1895 Adler & Sullivan designed some 13 high-rise projects, only 5 of which were built: the Wainwright and the Union Trust Building (1892) in St. Louis, the Schiller Building (1891) and the Stock Exchange (1893) in Chicago, and the Guaranty Building (1894-1895) in Buffalo. But together with "The Tall Office Building Artistically Considered," they established Louis Henry Sullivan as the premier theorist of skyscraper design with a pioneering style of national importance.
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P.C.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Thank's very informative serious.
Then let's hope today's newthinkers get the same attention and possibility to change the way things are made and projected today, with the computers being the future, and not just the silli clowns questions by outsider hippie haters as you see in these fora's
Seriously thank again. |
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csintexas
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: |
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It seems to me that besides a few posts this discussion has been about semantics.
Probably Sullivan's high rise buildings where a better example of form following function. Wright doesn't seem to have liked that idea much and so combined them to give form equal value to function -"a spiritual union"
Personally I think form follows function is an interesting concept that may not have been explored to it's full potential. First we have to fully understand the function and this is a difficult thing to do.
I think babarebaba's post was interesting in that it asks the question why do we have such diversity of life when all life basically has the same function (to live and reproduce).
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SDR
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I maintain that the words and the deeds of these architect/writers do not match. What "function" is expressed -- appropriately or otherwise -- by the quasi-organic decoration that was Sullivan's most recognizable signature ? Is all of that rhetoric meant to refer only to the appearance in his facades of strong verticals and horizontals that might suggest the structural frame within ? Or are we happy rather to see that it anticipates the more obvious functionalsim to appear twenty or more years in the future, in Europe ?
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usarender
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: Not an unbreakable axiom |
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| It can be seen from these links that the "axiom" form follows function is not always applicable and depends on the field and context of application. |
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SDR
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Form follows function [FFF] is clearly an ideal, inspired no doubt by the Great Designer, the natural world. Like most ideals, it is not often attained, and is subject to a great many challenges, both aesthetic and practical.
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usarender
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: Function not always directly connected to form |
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| Function does not always express itself directly into one single form. There are a multitude of forms that can express a function. One may simply design a form not to express a function, but to express a need to create a work of art. Not every form in architecture thus expresses a function. As long at the basic functions of the program are met in some of the forms chosen, many others can be brought in that have no function but make an architectural statement, together with the main forms that are addressing the function. Thus, it is only an ideal, and as shown by the Order of ArcHiTecTural ThougHt, is only one small portion of a much greater sequence of order in Architecture. |
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