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csintexas
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No, I'm just wondering why you say you want to work with people on things like space elevators and then when you have the opportunity you do not.
If this space elevator is something you really want to see become a reality wouldn't you want to work with a group of people who are openly working on this project as a free community? Instead you post your ideas in an architectural forum where no one is interested?
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GeorgeBozic
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: My Little Tower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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My Little Tower?????????????????????
Mr Nelson: a little note for you.
When i orginally wrote my first message i was a little bit upset. A Professor of Engineering at one of our Uni's here in Australia answered my question "Can i build a tower 100km's high? he said "Anything can be built but what are the reasons?"
So i spent the next 4 yrs thinking of reasons and trying to get some to take the idea and run with it. Result: Not happening.
So because no one what it i run with it. Again Result: Not Happening.
So after 4 yrs i rang Professor again. This he tells me its a stupid idea cost too much. Not Happening.
So, being so pissed off i surfed again and found this forum.
I thought (stupidly I know now) that some one might read message and help me with this idea.
When you showed enough interest to email me with questions about my idea i thought (again stupudly in know now) that my 7 yr journey could be at an end.
You then come up with your idea, which i don't understand maybe cause i too thick, maybe cause it doesn't make sense anyway, maybe because we are on different planes. But you know what pisses me off the most is the phase "My Little Tower".
Who the fuck do you think you are. I'm looking for genuine help for a project that no bastard on the planet wants to do. Everyone would rather see people dying in that "Shuttle of Death" cause there arse isn't on the line.
You brainheavy people are lightweight on commonsense.
Tower thought of using KISS pinciple.
If your arch system is so good why didn't you think and finish it 4 yrs ago. You could of saved 7 people.
you want to be mates change your attitude otherwise PISS OFF
George Bozic
PS Have a bit of respect It's Mr Chris Stewart Not Mr Texas.
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usarender
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: take it easy |
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Calm down George. It is a Big Tower, granted. No need to be pissed.
Since you didn't respond anymore, I assumed you were no longer interested in this forum or what people had to say here.
As you can see, I am willing to help you realize your tower also, and it is no small technical challenge. When I responded, I was just trying to help you find the best route to achieve it. So I had no interest in the subject until you requested the help. So by all means, I am racking my brains trying to figure out how to realize what you are trying to do. From the standpoint of a scientist and architect, I must find the best way obviously to solve any problem. I can start with a pre-conceived solution and try to make it work. I must start with a problem, and find the best route to achieve it.
So I am not trying to diminish your cause. Truly I don't know who you are or how you plan to go about doing it. I am only trying to figure out the best way to allow in essence the idea of getting man into space economically. I had not proposed it before because it never came to mind, until you requested help.
Now, if you must have a tower, a BIG TOWER, keep working with that idea to the max and see if on this forum people wish to help in this also.
In fact, I had made various suggestions on how to realize the tower, how to design it, the materials to use and all. I had begun thus working on the idea. Since I didn't receive any response from you, I kept working on it.
Also, you haven't been following the design community discussions, and there have been a lot of heated debates on several topics, with guys trying to destroy the visions, ideas, postings and theories of others by posting absurd comments of the same type and this is why these people came here to this post, for no other reason. They have no interest to help you realize your vision. They are here because they feel they need to find some topic to discredit. That is the only reason they are here. So this is not a respectful attitude. Now, if I said something about your tower that got you pissed, then I am sorry. I truly thought you had given up on this forum. Now, about the tower. I am not saying it cannot be realized. I just don't understand how the issues I had pointed out would be solved in a practical way. In one of my previous posts, I made a list of technical problems and nobody cared to address those in any practical way. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: Technical issues |
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Before embarking on the tower solution, one must understand some of the initial questions and technical difficulties -->>
1. Getting building approvals.
2. How this will interfere with man-made flying objects.
3. How to make the structure stable with plastic materials.
4. How to build it in a reasonable amount of time, in a way that can be actually managed and budgeted in a way that makes sense.
5. How to get the cooperation and companies involved to build it.
6. In essence, an actual working design.
One can decide to realize a project and find out there is a solution that had not presented itself, that would enable one to realize it at a fraction of the cost, in a quicker way and one that would enable more global cooperation, under a framework that would bring greater benefits. So this is the reason for looking into the best solution, and one that makes sense from a technical and practical point of view. Now, if we can find others here who could debate in an intelligent way on this subject, we could work together to find the best solution. But the problem with these forums is that there are no people who have any vision to debate these topics. They would rather ridicule any ideas then propose something that can be done. Just look at the first part of the thread, "The Structures of the Future" to see who was doing the ridiculing first. It is clear those posting responses there had no interest in any of the visions. I was the only who posted any type of actual response in seeking to address the need you brought up. So now I am being accused of not helping, when all along I was only searching for a solution because you posted a request. The mind of any scientist works this way. He cannot start with a fixed solution and try to make it work. He must look at the problem from all angles and propose ideas to solve the problems at hand in various ways and explore further the options that bring the best results in the laboratory. This can be seen as a laboratory of ideas. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: Initial considerations |
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To realize this big tower we must -->>
1. Chose a material that is light in weight, but that can made heavy,
2. A material that is economical, can be massed produced, can be assembled easily.
3. Can engage global participation.
4. Resolved environmental impact issues.
5. Will resist gigantic forces of wind, rain, storms.
6. Can be done in a reasonable amount of time and for a budget that can be kept under control.
7. Can get construction approval.
8. That will survive the test of time.
9. A project that is able to engage the participation of many companies, government, and people with influence.
10. A project that is in tune with the technology of the times.
11. Construction techniques that are feasible.
12. A structural system that will allow for flexible use.
13. Allow for workers to work in sub-gravity conditions, with no oxygen and extremely high winds on the way up.
In essence, we are attempting to do what one of the greatest, most powerful civilizations of all time attempted to do thousands of years ago and failed. This is no small challenge, even with todays technology. Especially considering the fact that to even construct the pyramids of Egypt with todays technology is no small feat. Until today, we still don't know for sure how the Egyptians built the pyramids.
Now, the pyramid shape could be used as well, to construct this tower?
What do you think about making it in the shape of a huge gigantic pyramid?
There are many other related issues to explore. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: The Pyramid is the Ideal Structure |
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The pyramid would be the ideal structure for such a tower as it would -
1. Resist lateral wind loads better
2. Allow for a large base and the top, when reaching the stratosphere, to be reduced in size.
3. Would allow the platforms to be built on the ends, and then as the structure goes up, to fill them in as one proceeds to the next level.
4. Would require less materials up at the top, thus allowing the crews to lift less materials, as they progress.
5. Would be more stable structurally.
6. It a timeless form, one that is able to resist the ages.
7. It is a form and shape that carries a multitude of symbology.
8. Would make it easy to engage global participation.
9. The tower could become a huge city, with the inner parts of the pyramid houses millions of businesses and residences.
10. Would be a full plate for developers.
11. The sides of the pyramid could be used to launch vehicles into space. It could be an acceleration platform into space!
12. It could be the launch point for celestial balloons.
13. It could become the largest communication tower on earth.
14. The sides of the tower could house a billion solar collectors and wind capturing tunnels, that could produce energy from the strong winds at high altitudes.
The new journey to build the worlds biggest tower ever has just began!
Welcome to the journey!
You can count on my help George! It can be done! |
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usarender
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: A World of Technical Solutions |
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We could also light the pyramid at night, so it becomes visible to planes.
During the day, we can place transponders on the pyramid, so warn coming planes.
The pyramid is one of the strongest shapes in construction technology, and it need not be solid material. We can make it with a cage like structure with hollow cores. This would enable the wind also to go through the hollow cores, and this energy can be captured and transformed into usable energy.
We can make the structure solid also, all the way up.
There are various ways to do it. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: The Global Pyramid |
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THE SYSTEM
THE GLOBAL PYRAMID
Goal:
To build the world's largest structure ever built, that is economical, strong and allow man to reach space for the lowest cost possible.
Attached is an image of the new pyramid structure.
The Size
It will be approximately 100 km wide by 130 km high.
It will reach from the earth into space.
The Purpose
To provide a global bridge to space.
The Foundation
It will be built on a base os solid stone.
The Exterior Membrane
The exterior membrane will consist of --
1. Interior multiple sheets of plastic over the interior core, to protect it from humidity and from leaking out of the interior core.
2. Over this, a thick wall 200 Meters wide of plastic stones and bricks, filled with earth and sand.
3. Over this, the outer layer, an inclined stone wall 10 Meters thick.
The Interior Core
The interior core maintains concrete tube tunnels, that can house cities, mechanical equipment and wind tunnels to capture the energy and use it in the structure.
On the exterior are mountain giant catapults that will launch the space vehicles into space without using fuel for the launch. They will be literally giant run-ways. There will be a long track. It will work on a tension system. The entire system is pulled into tension upon launch. The trigger is released gradually, with increasing pressure as the speed increases. This will catapult the space vehicles into space with no fuel used. The energy for the tension mecanism will be extracted from wind and solar panels mounted on the sides of the pyramid, and the wind channels in the core.
The interior core will be simply filled with earth and sand.
The Cost
Very Economical To Build
The Structure
Very strong, resistant, heavy and permanent.
Modern Energy Collection Systems
It will employ the latest in wind and solar energy collectors.
The Functions
Multiple Interior cities, global access portal, natural green energy plant.
The Scope
Global in scale. A free open project which will allow thousands of companies and individuals to participate.
Who Will Pay For It
The public, those who participate, the governments, the funding companies, the world.
Bellow attached is an image of the system. (For some reason, it is only appearing while logged in! If it does not appear on your browser, please visit our Project Liquid Universe page, and see the link "Global Pyramid").
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P.C.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest a wider tolerance, the yield would be to get up there , or ???
When you are up there, is it then to rest is it to move on, is it to avoide the ground under avoide the forces ; is the aim to be able to produce materials in zero gravity , has some huge advanteages, if zero gravity are the aim , then why not focus on the astroide belt that is the treasure chamber of this solar system. Is it possible to live out there yes ofcaurse, othervise robots would provide.
All in all why allow the structures to stay in near orbit, what's the great advanteage of that, if there are a way to go there without a huge structure. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: A Multitude of Reasons |
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| All these are valuable reasons. Each project will have it's own time table needed to realize. The sooner one is finished, the sooner man will be able to enter space economically. Each project has it's advantages and dis-advantages and each will serve a purpose, that will complement each other. |
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P.C.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I would like to point to the subject of this discussion --- it is so true, that there are just 100 Km. to reach before increadible new materials can profit us all.
Just 100 Km. the most difficult 100 Km. mankind ever challanced, and when reached, so fantastic options allready are discovered -- emagine what is waiting, how the astroide belt offer so huge treasures and stepping from there further will expand our whole perception of the universe our own existance and the future of mankind.
Maybe that is impossible to reach , and true there are some heavy arguments , in fact so heavy that if you shuld live by them, you wouldn't even suggest a moon landing and newer to try reach out further than the solar system as yes, distances out there are so huge, that huge is a microskopic word. but still we rather chace the impossible nomatter how scientifical impossible, reson ; we want a good not a sad life. |
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: Revamping of ideas needed |
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Thanks for the comments pc.
They key is to be thinking always one step ahead of the times and elaborating new visions, rather then simply replicating the systems and ideas of the past.
Too much time is wasted in architecture and in scientific endeavor, trying to verify the theories and ideas of past theoreticians. Thus, the need for a new architecture, new theories, and new revolutionary scientific developments.
Make room for upgrading and revamping of ideas, and allow them to grow in sophistication.
Even some of Mr. Buckies ideas have been reproduced at full scale, without him being cited at times.
There is plenty of academic robbery of ideas out there.
Now, when the ideas come at a speed faster then they can rob or develop them, we have outwitted them. By the time they figure out what we are up to, we are light years ahead of them!
Now, some new ideas and developments, food for thought, fuel for the turbines of the future -->>
Magnetic Cancellation Theory -->>
http://www.designcommunity.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3266324#3266324
Basic notions of magnetic cancellation necessary for the new transportation systems of the future, and also energy generators to power our cities in space and our buildings of the future.
By Mr. Nelson
Architect, Inventor, Scientist, Visionary, Futurist, Artist, Mechanic, Poet, Writer, Researcher.
A world of possibilities power by global connectivity.
The Architecture of the Future at our doorstep.
Soon new architectural ideas to come, based on these new structural and energy systems. |
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