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TheFarm
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phansford
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I am not sure that locating your screen porch on the West would necessarily interfere with your view. You will still be able to look through the space. It is basically an open structure. It will help to reduce the heat gain from the West. You will get borrowed light through the space.
You might consider when you would want to use the screen porch and locate it based on that. Obviously, located on the North it would never be "hot" or in the direct sun. Where do your prevailing winds come from.... do you want to grab those winds to cool the space when you use it. Do you want it to be connected with a specific room that makes it more usable and flows with the rest of the house. (You might not want to have to go through the dining room or kitchen to get to it.... or the garage)
Hope this give you some ideas.
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TheFarm
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Thanks for your reply. You've made some interesting points. W.r.t. traffic flow the dining room is located where the small window is (left of the white propane tank). I could blow out the window and put in french doors to access the screen room if I located it in the L-shaped South area there.
The prevailing wind is a west wind and I would use it extensively May-July, when bugs are bad.
I'm a bit unsure from a structure point of view if the West (by the red doors) or South location would be better ie, at the West location I would follow the roof line out but on the South location I'm not sure how the structure would fit - flat roof or peak roof somehow?? Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Brian
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csintexas
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it would be easier and look better to extend the gable roof in my opinion. That option also leaves the porch open on three sides to get better air flow.
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csintexas
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There are better ways of placing it on the south side if that is what you want to do. I think this last solution shown is not good, are you also planing to add dormers?
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phansford
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Brian,
As you indicated, you will have some issues with snow and rain with the design you posted. You can add a cricket between the three sloped, but you will have a very small outlet for runoff. You would want to put an ice/water barrier under the entire roof area.
If you have a plan you can post that might afford us more insight.
BTW - Nice sketch.
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Another possibility |
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There is another solution nobody thought of. It may not be as aesthetically pleasing, depending how it is done, as suggested below. It will solve your problem. It depends also if this side of the house is very visible, or is more hidden from public view.
Do it as in your sketch, except extend the roof over to the left, or simply move the entire structure over to the West side some and have the overhang go past the existing building some. I would put say at least 4 feet between your dining room window and the structure. This will allow the snow to accumulate outside the dining room area, but it can be removed from the area from the outside as it accumulates. On the wall of the new addition that faces the dining room and the open space, I would place a wall up to say 3-6'" high or so, to help brace the snow that might accumulate in there. From that point up, it can be glass, so the view is not obstructed. This way, snow will not be accumulating on the roof but rather in an outside area. However, if you do this, only, you may need to substitute a window for a sliding glass door into this space, unless you do as below --->>>
If you wish to extend this area even further, you can make a smaller extension of this space on the West side until the fireplace, or beyond. You will not be obstructing any views, as stated in previous suggestions. You will have a smaller space for plants there and a larger space in the South side area. This would help also to unity the features some into a more aesthetic solution on the West side. You will end up in effect with a continuation of the new roof, which could also create a sort of porch there, if you prefer to use it this way, and still have the South side dedicated to the green room.
Since you get a lot of wind from the West side, you could help buff this wind some from entering the current West side door, if that area is a glass enclosed extension of the green room. This addition in this position will also help to buff extreme winds from entering the existing dining room window. You will also not need to remove that window.
This is one possibility, and there can be other ways to do it. I think extending the entire gable roof could work also and maybe even better. It depends on where you prefer the new addition.
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JWmHarmon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: Screened porch or gazebo? |
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The original house is an 1860's farm house. It was common then to have outbuildings for different purposes. A chicken coop was often a separate outbuilding. The farm where I grew up in northwestern Ohio had an octagonal chicken coop.
Have you considered a freestanding gazebo? It could be designed to complement your addition or could be a different style. Placing it to the south-west could allow you to keep all of your views that you currently have.
An alternate idea would be to design the gazebo/outbuilding so that it would be connected to the addition with a narrower hallway. Your screened building could stand a convenient distance away from the house so that snow would not be a problem.
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phansford
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| Excellent idea..... harkens back to the idea of the summer kitchen.
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usarender
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: A Need for Some Connection |
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This could work as well, but it seems he wishes for the addition to maintain some connection to the existing house, rather then have to go completely outside to reach it. And creating a small hallway just to reach it seems like could be expensive to make all this, as there would be even much more glass involved and construction elements. So to have it at least partially connected to the house, as I suggested still may be more economically viable and allow some connection to the existing house.
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usarender
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Interesting Problem |
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It seems this structure as shown in the picture would require also a glass or polycarbonate roof. This could increase the cost, as a very strong impact resistant glass would be needed. Unless you leave it open, but that seems to defeat the original purpose.
A gable roof addition may cost more then an out-house, depending how it is done and the materials used in the two solutions.
The outhouse idea could be economical if that is a direction you wish to pursue. One cannot say which option will be most economical at first glance. It will depend on what materials and finishes are specified and the sophistication of the labor involved. An outhouse seems to suggest more rustic, simple to put together system that could reduce cost. Perhaps you could pull the design from some barn or outhouse design magazine or do-it-yourself book or magazine. An addition to the house, on the other hand, implies fitting into the existing materials and building methods, level of detail and thus may cost more. Of course, it depends on how each solution is executed.
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If I may throw my hat in the ring here, Brian, I'm interested in the histroy fo your house. Examining the photo, gives me some clues that leave me wondering about the relationship of the future expansion. It appears the original was a simple A-frame but I can't undersand the exterior wall finish; it looks like stucco. That's odd for an 1860's farmhouse. What region of the country is this located, out of curiosity? I would guess it was either all brick and recently stuccoed or I just cant make out the finish. Then it seems a new one-story addition was made with the light wells, large picture windows (aluminum single hung?), french doors, metal siding (vertical seams) and a shiny new brick chimney. Then new asphaltic roofing was added and voila! But what are those two white boxes at the corners of the west roof? Speakers?
At any rate, By the looks of the grill, speakers, lighting, etc, you seem to have already determined which part of your property you enjoy occupying. My view is that a free standing/detached room (whether connected by hallway or not) would be great, but it deviates from your original instinct, which was to roof and screen the space that you already enjoy. Only problem would be, you won't be able to BBQ right there any more if you did. But that's easily remedied by wheeling the grill a few feet elsewhere.
The idea of building a screened enclosure to the south of this west addition, is not a bad idea, particularly in plan, as it would complete the most effecient relationship ( a square) but you would have serious roof issues, as already mentioned which would not be eased by making it flat either (because roofs are never truly "flat").
The idea of coming off the southwest corner is not bad either but there was a symmetry designed with the western facade that would be complex to overcome, especially at the roof configuration. Which leads me to conclude, without a doubt, the easiset and best scheme would be to build a gabled extension...
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TheFarm
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The farm is north of Toronto. The original farmhouse is wood beams with a stucco exterior. The addition is 2 years old with a rough sawn board and baton exterior. Yes those are outdoor speakers.
I had a flurry of excitement with the suggestion of an "out" building but the location I would like to put it (near a garden) is 150 feet away and food transportation would be a bit of a pain.
I admit the natural area seems to be the gable extension off the west, but the potential interruption of the sunset view and creating a bit of a long bowling alley effect, worries me. The "square" relationship, on the south side is what I have been leaning towards. After seeing my friend's "open" structure I'm staring to believe this may be possible for a 3 seasons room. The question would be how high to make it if in the South position...
Brian
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