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Kevin
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 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject: Stop the forced evacuations from New Orleans! |
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For the record, as a professional observer, I'd like to register an objection to the forced evacuations of hurricane and flood survivors from New Orleans.
Most of the survivors who want to stay are in non-flooded areas, so the potentially-serious-but-currently-vague concerns about the danger of the badly polluted flood waters do not seem to apply.
Most of the survivors who want to stay are stalwart law-abiding citizens, whose presence will actually aid in maintaining security in a 98% vacant city, so the security issue does not seem to apply.
All survivors of a catastrophic disaster are at high risk for post-traumatic stress. One of the highest needs of survivors is to regain control of their lives. For some, this may mean holding their ground in a badly damaged city. To force such people into evacuation simply for bureaucratic imperatives is to add real additional human injury to the inherent stress already heaped on by the original disaster.
Given that two of top three people at FEMA are Republican PR people (and the third a failed horse administrator) ( http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/08/142204 ), that the administration is at least culpable for various relevant bad actions before, during, and after the primary disaster, and that ten days into the disaster FEMA is still not providing any reasonable organized release of accumulating casualty information, despite many thousands feared dead, it is hard not to be suspicious of the motives for a major and hurtful yet unexplained police action.
Where is mainstream media questioning of why some ten thousand Americans are to be forced from their homes?
Unless honestly explained and necessary, the forced evacuations for New Orleans should be stopped!
http://www.petitiononline.com/staynola/petition.html |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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It seems it was the Democratic mayor of New Orleans that has been shrilly demanding forceful evacuation. The Feds say no way and they are leaving the residents alone.
As for the casualties, again it was the Democratic mayor that cried 10,000 because of his ineptness in not having a workable evacuation plan. Truth is they are up to 297 as of this day and evidently the Democrats are dissappointed their shrill cries were not fullfilled. Oh, so it must be a Fed conspiracy keeping the truth from us. Oh yeah.
Unfortunately, there are some people, like the mayor, who have no faith in people. People are a lot smarter than the paternalistic Democrats give them credit for. They can take care of themselves and the American people will rally behind helping New Orleans.
The most disgusting thing I see coming out of this event is the politicalization of the event and the Democrats trying to orchestrate the blame on Bush. That's the typical whiney approach of the sore losers party. |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Your "facts" are are terminally confused. This kind of irrationally partisan mess really doesn't add to the conversation. |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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is one of FEMA's directives to hold a press conference every time a body is found? i highly doubt it... at this point in the operation what exactly would be gained by trumpetting the number of dead found in a grand official manner? other than satisfying some office water cooler talk, it really serves no purpose in administering the management of this emergency...
therefore the accumulation and release of those numbers is of little or no importance at this point in time... telling everyone how many are found dead isn't going to help prevent others from dying and isn't going to help find other dead bodies... which i would are directives more closely tied to FEMAs mission in NO |
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Kevin
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Actually I tend to think "telling everyone how many are found dead" is "going to help prevent others from dying" in the next disaster.
Major media were fascinated and urgent to report the count for the WTC disaster. Ghoulish, but critical public information.
People, society, have to be ACTIVATED to pull together challenging responses to major but rare events. Sorry to say, the death count is critical. Plus, those lost human beings in the Gulf Coast area deserve at least the attention of being honestly counted. Every bit as much as a bunch of New York financial types. |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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i think we should probably be a bit more concerned with the disaster at hand before we start being so concerned for the next one...
like i said, getting the numbers out isn't going to help the current relief efforts... |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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how exactly is letting people know the number killed going to obstruct the current relief efforts ?
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Architorture
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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it won't...and it won't help either... so the lack of the number being reported really is neither here nor there
but with that said, criticizing or pressuring FEMA for a number [something that i don't believe is even something they HAVE to report] certainly isn't justified either |
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Richard Haut
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really ? you don't think that criticizing an organisation that fails to fulfil its duties and obligations, resulting in additional death and suffering for the citizens of your nation, is worth reporting ?
I am not going to waste time trying to explain to an American why dead Americans are important.
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Kevin
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thankfully, while there is evidence that some degree of forced and/or strong-arm survivor evacuations did take place, the authorities reconsidered the threatened forced emptying of New Orleans, seemingly before it really got started. Thanks to everyone who spoke up, in various ways!
Now our "leader" holds a "remembrance service" for disaster victims who have not even been counted yet.
Interesting. Meanwhile, the Republicans block attempts to establish an independent inquiry commission. What does this negligent U.S. administration want us to remember, and what to forget?
... some survivor reactions to the Bush speech:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/16/bush.americareacts.ap/index.html |
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Architorture
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Haut wrote: | really ? you don't think that criticizing an organisation that fails to fulfil its duties and obligations, resulting in additional death and suffering for the citizens of your nation, is worth reporting ?
I am not going to waste time trying to explain to an American why dead Americans are important. |
but that is an entirely other issue besides reporting a body count... if FEMA doesn't have to report a body count, sitting there asking "where is FEMA's body count?" doesn't make a whole lot of sense now does it? |
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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you mean, they were only dead Americans, so who cares how many there are - an Emergency Management Agency needs it explained that they should count the dead ? (let me explain this slowly: one reason is to i-d-e-n-t-i-f-y them)
well, it is your country, your fellow citizens.
seems strange to me, but I am European.
but I hear that the Little Fella had to write a note to Condi Rice at the UN asking if it was OK for him to go for a pee, so it sort of figures. Let's just hope he wasn't trying to chew gum at the time.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| FEMA doesn't manage morgues its that simple |
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Richard Haut
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"Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Teams -- known as DMORT -- are made up of civilian volunteers who provide victim identification and mortuary services.
The teams set up temporary morgue facilities and handle body preparation and disposal of remains.
Organized under FEMA, the teams work under direction of local authorities during an emergency."
- from CNN
you must be delighted that Halliburton/KBR weasled their way into their new contracts faster than your nation buried its dead.
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DR
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: Evacuation and "Stuck on Stupid" |
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Alot of Monday morning quarterbacking in here about the New Orleans Forced Evacuations...anyone against the evacuation planned for the Texas coastal regions?
Listen to General Honore tell the reporters that they are "Stuck on Stupid" : http://www.radioblogger.com/#001001 ........in New Orleans.
The evacuations are going well in Texas,live and learn works. You've witnessed how hard it was to force an evacuation in the New Orleans climate but I imagine we won't see stuck on stupid in Texas...as the buses are rolling not bathing. |
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