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Ed Ziomek
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 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: Lessons from the Past... Moon and Star Design Icons... |
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I just find it hard to think that Blair and Bush are "prone to look for answers in racism, hatred and persecution."
I will give you "seeking economic dominance", but not "racism, hatred and persecution".
Compare the UK's decision to FIGHT racist and hate rhetoric, versus Zawahari's (sp?) video comment of yesterday saying that World Trade and the London bombings are the prelude to even MORE CATASTROPHIC disasters from Al Qaeda.
Who are the bad guys? Bush and Blair for condeming hate rhetoric?
Or the scum who throw bombs into subways and buses?
How many Muslims died in the World Trade Center? Some estimates are that 20% of the fatalities were Muslims. How many Muslims died in London? I would think several of the 50+ were Muslims.
I have never told the world this... but the faint, faint images on the temple of Teotuhuacan in the Valley of Mexico seemed to show Tehotu (Thoth) on the left and Set/Sirius on the right. There are many theory-explanations for these iconic symbols... but the most intriguing theory (to me anyways) is that it seems to be the "Moon God" on the left, and the Venus Dog Star, the morning star on the right.
Thousands of years later, these same design-symbols, the crescent moon and the morning star, are on several modern day flags, including Pakistan.
Teotuhuacan +Teotu-huacan +"Valley of Mexico" on Yahoo/Google
In my amateurish understanding, I think these iconic symbols represented the dichotomy of life, the Yin and Yang if you will... good and evil, north and south, birth and death, female and male, peace and war, heaven and hell, knowledge and ignorance, sky and earth, etc.
In the history of man, I cannot believe it ever meant to kill innocent people to further the aim of anyone's ideology.
This is not the work of Bush and Blair. Do they deserve some blame, sure.
95% of all these problems have nothing to do with Bush and Blair.
That is my opinion.
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dgt
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Forgive my lack of clarity on the issue. What I was refering to in the comment "prone to look for answers in racism, hatred and persecution" was not strictly about Bush or Blair. Unfortunately, the people who beat a Muslim man up walking our of a store or even just look at a Muslum person in Starbucks with disdain and hatred are.
I believe the Bush admin (I am not familiar enough with Blair) has done little if anything to distinguish between the radical terrorists and the majority of the law abiding, devout and peaceful Muslum community in the U.S. I believe it fed his purpose. Was it a coincidence that the bastion of uselessness called the terror alert system triggered higher levels around the election?
Hatred speaks about personal feelings which in the best of circumstances are difficult to ascertain. It has been proven (or at least legitamately supported) that the war was decided upon by the admin long before Congress voted much less the American people having any say. I do not believe it was mainly do to oil. In fact, I would not even say it was mainly do to revenge by a dutiful son for the failure of the father. I believe it was something the Bush team new it could win. An ace in the hole so to speak. What better time to pull it out then when the American public was looking for a band-aid for the hurt associated with 911. All we know for sure is that there was an obsession for war long before there was reason for it. Hatred might be too strong of a word.
As for persocution, again it serves his purpose. We have detention centers where people are held without specific charge or shedding of light on any evidence for years, not to mention the lack of access to a lawyer. Regardless if there is torture or not it seems that 'inalienable rights' only go so far.
My resolve against terrorism is absolute. I had a dear friend who was transferred from the WTC about a week before 911 occured. I did not know this until after I was frantically trying to get in contact with him on the following two days. The people responsible for actions such as those are monsters.
But, in times like this I think of the old adage of free speech which says you do not have free speech for people who everyone likes and enjoys what they say, you have it for the people who you dislike and therefore incite reaction. It is the same with basic civil liberties. The minute we start drawing distinctions when they do and do not apply is the moment when we have crossed a very dangerous line.
That is my humble opinion.
Kindest Regards,
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dgt
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Sorry for the many spelling mistakes and typos above. I was thinking faster than I could type.
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Richard Haut
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yes, one has legality - the rule of law - for all, or for none.
the same applies to free speech and any other rights that we consider to be part of free, deomcratic nations.
it is not a negotiable option - and Bush, Blair and their foillowers are doing precisely that, undermining the very notion of freedom.
the London police murdered a Brazilian. No mistake, no over-tense policeman accidentally letting off a gun. The man was chased, pinned down and murdered by plain-clothes police (if they were police) - with nothing to give any excuse for the action other than the colour of the man's skin.
and now for the bad news - it is no more legal for a British policeman to do that than it is for you or me to do it. Their status as police officers is irrelevant.
Britain today is no more safe for people with dark skins than Nazi Germany was for Jews.
But Britain is not America. Britain has the swaggering tradition of the B.U.F., of Mosley's Blackshirts so courageously protected by the sympathetic Metropolitan Police as they spewed venom against Jews and other "outsiders". It was the ordinary Brits who stopped them - they fought the Fascists and the Police.
Will they today ? I do not know.
But there are those in positions of power (legal and otherwise) in Britain today who deeply envied the Nazis - deeply, deeply envied them. Who felt that the loss of the Empire, the Empire founded on slaving and drug dealing, was unfair. That Mosley had been a great man. It is the Neo-Nazi slogan "wir kommen wieder !"
America does not have the same dubious tradition - sure, it had Nathan Bedford Forrest, and it was revealing two or three years ago that Bush gave a speech in front of a large banner that said "these colours don't run - never have, never will". The man from Crawford rides with Forrest.
Does it matter ? Now that Bush and Cheney have given instructions to STRATCOM for the intended attack on Iran to be nuclear, the answer is no. The Pentagon's estimate at the start of this hideous farce was of over 50,000,000 US dead from a widened Middle East conflict.
If Bush lives, we die.
And today is the anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:39 am Post subject: If Bush lives, we die? |
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Rich and dgt... thanks for giving us your thoughts...
First of all, one of the great religious movements in the history of humanity is the Islamic faith, tracing their lineage back to the City of Ur and Abraham. Had I been born in China, I would be Bhuddist. Had I been born in Iraq, I would have been Muslim. Like many, many Americans, I am the worst kind of religious zealot... I appreciate EVERYBODY'S RELIGION!
My Gods are Ok, your Gods are OK too. In fact, your God is BETTER than my God, ... there... I said it.
I am also thankful you share your deep passion against Bush and Blair.
Racism exists. Hatred exists.
If two brothers were left on this earth, eventually you would have "Total war".
If a husband and wife were all that remained on this earth, eventually you would have thermonuclear annhialation against each other.
Remember the story of Noah and his three sons, and a daughter... there were only five humanoids left on this earth so the story goes, and basically they had a war!
I think one of his sons (Shem??) did some unnatural carnal action on his own drunk FATHER! And yes, he was banished. Ditto Cain and Abel.
But to say that... "If Bush lives, we die." Rich... please explain. How is this possible? Bush is divine comedy and tragedy at times, I will give you that, in policies that I am sometimes ashamed at, yes it is true.
And sometimes...he has good intentions, and sometimes success at times for the world good, and sometimes with disastrous consequences... I understand. (Remember the China debacle, within 30 days of Bush's first inauguration, where we confronted the Chinese militarily-knocked down one of their planes and killed their pilot in an accident... oh you know, the Chinese, OUR TRILLION DOLLAR PER YEAR TRADING PARTNER!!!.. now one of our BEST FRIENDS in the region!!!)
But sometimes he does a good job.
Having said this, I am so very intrigued at how you, Richard Haut came to this level of passion against Bush and Blair. There is a huge story behind these feelings of yours. Write me a personal email if you want, let me know how this anger came to be.
I accept your comments as your valid feelings to yourself, but I cannot agree with you on your conclusions. Maybe you misspoke.
edward.ziomek@snet.net
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Richard Haut
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: |
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No, Ed, I did not mis-speak.
The orders have been given to STRATCOM.
The estimates of US casualties came from the Pentagon - not from me.
I am indeed angry because Britain used to be a decent country - for all its faults, it had considerable decency - and I do not want to see it dragged into the murderous mess that the US administration is deliberately causing because of a few backward looking bigots.
So what do you think will happen if Bush and Cheney start a nuclear war (and Bolton fails to undo the Security Council nuclear response agreements) ?
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: "NOW we have a terror problem in Iraq" |
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The reason I firmly believe that Rove or Bush never, never celebrated the London bombings, were your only truthful words in another thread...
"NOW we have a terror problem in Iraq".
The genie is out of the bottle. The plague is spreading, has been spreading, from the World Trade, to London, to Moscow, to Bali, to Madrid, to Kenya, maybe even to Venezuela if we are to believe the politicians...
And instead of worrying about Nukes in Iran, or the growing insurgency in Iraq, or the latest terror threats agains Europe, as the politicians have been mentioning in the last few weeks... shouldn't America turn its attention and finances to rebuilding New Orleans and Mississippi?
Declare victory, leave, or at least pull back to the benign countryside. Let the dominos fall.
Worry about the USA first. War will come soon enough, it always has.
Declare victory and leave.
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Ed Ziomek
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: ooopss... "very truthful words", not "only tr |
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SDR... I mispoke... I meant to say... "very truthful words", not "only truthful words"...
My goof, as usual...
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