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 Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: Democratic "control" of Social Security retirement |
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What are the Democrats after? One word. Control. Control of you. Control of our senior citizens. As long as they have control over these retirement funds that should, in a sane world, be under your control ... as long as the government controls those funds, the government controls you. Tell me --- how, if you own your own retirement account --- can Democratic demagogues tell you that if you vote for anyone but them that some evil force is going to come and take that account away from you? Answer? They can't (and in DCF they might even white-wash your post)! They know that you'll look at them like they've lost their minds? You would know that you own that account, and that the money is yours, and that it isn't going to be taken away simply because you voted for a Republican ... or, possibly, a Libertarian.
Bottom line ... Democrats wouldn't be able to defend the current Social Security system as they are if the American people had even the most basic level of economic knowledge. When you drop your child off off at your local government school next Monday .. think about it. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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And how is it that the American people are expected, in your view, to acquire this knowledge of economics? Every financial institution in the country, both public and private, seems engineered and hard-wired to prevent the gullible public from understanding just how their pocket is being picked, by those with the power and persuasion to do so. No meaningful, real-world economic education is received in the schools.
Minimum-wage-earners feel pressure to take loans on their paychecks at the ubiquitous check-cashing outlets. The entire commercial establishment is primed to separate these poor "fools from their money."
You won't convince any Democrats that their fellows are trying to control others, when it's blatantly obvious that that's" the pot calling the kettle black."
How dare you?
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Face it: Social Security "reform," as defined by the White House -- meaning, the inclusion of an expensive and risky (except to Wall Street) Personal Account provision -- is so lame that Senate Republicans are falling over themselves to back away from it. The "GW" has finally outdone himself: this corpse is DOA.
Polling suggests that, the more that poeple have heard about the program, the lower their opinion of it.
Get it? Dead. In fact, the odds are that no SS bill will pass, this session. Sad, because a different program, one actually needed, might have been possible. But there was just too much "bait and switch" (ie, bull___ ) to this one. . .
And, no talk of the more immediate problem, Medicare.
Gutless Congress, distracted (or worse) White House.
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| Why can't people see through the Democrats on this one? How in the world do you garner so much public support for the idea that in a free country it is better for you to turn over your hard-earned bucks to the government on a vague and breakable promise that some of that money will be returned to you at some time in the future .. as agreed to by politicians? How in the world can people accept this premise over the idea that your money should remain in an account owned and, to an extent, controlled by you where there is a guarantee that either you or your heirs will eventually get it all back .. with interest? Why can't people see through this? Because they're ignorant, that's why. Economically brain-dead. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Because Social Security was created in the first place to fill a real need in our society. That need has only gone away to the extent that social security has worked. Because in actual practice, for generations in a row, it has worked out very well for people, drastically reducing what used to be widespread terrible poverty among the elderly of the U.S. Because it actually delivers reliable benefits to real people with amazing efficiency. Because the social contract of the American people with ourselves, through our democratic government, means a lot more in practice than the contractual guarantee of a corporate employer or corporate investment house that's allowed to go backrupt and escape its contracts at any time - unless a right-wing conspiracy of greed were to succeed in breaking our established and wildly successful social contract. |
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Its the left scare tactics at its finest...maybe even better than AARPS's.....yes, its Social Security, the best social program ever. Sorry, they have it all wrong. The best social program ever is a system of economic liberty featuring capitalism and free enterprise operating under a system based on the rule of law. No program, private or public, has ever done so much to raise so many from the depths of poverty and despair as has capitalism. When the government steps aside and lets free people react freely with one another, amazing things happen. It's really too bad that Americans have fallen out of love with freedom and so in love with government-provided security.
So maybe you will want to tell your senators and congressman that you you want an end to Social Security. You want out. You will be responsible for setting up your retirement plan and you will be willing to suffer the consequences in old age if you fail to do so. Tell your representatives that in a free society the government shouldn't take money from people who are now working just to give it to people who are not.
Are Democrats going to win and defeat personal Social Security accounts? Only if Republicans let them, says Jack Kemp. He says the public will see right through the Democratic leadership.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jackkemp/jk20050314.shtml |
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". . .featuring capitalism and free enterprise. . ."
Is it at all possible for you to think of the concept of "haves and have-nots" without the image springing to your mind of "those willing to work and those not"?
In your ideal world, does every single child and adult own his own business? Do all prosper because they are business owners? Alternatively, do some own businesses and provide well-paying jobs -- wages or salaries capable of providing decent housing, health care, transportation and a healthy diet -- to all comers? Are these business-people altruists or Samaritans, none of them trying to get "something for nothing" (as is a constant in human nature)?
Does it really make no sense to you at all, that, in exchange for a small percentage of the money you "earn" (how much is "enough" -- isn't it whatever you can negotiate, as long as it is at least as much as your neighbor, or your brother-in-law, makes?), those who are desperate are kept away from your door? How much IS enough? Aren't we now plagued with a majority to whom no excess is too much? Is it only abject sloth that prevents all from partaking of the American banquet? How much hunger and disease, both physical and social, is "acceptable," as long as you don't have to confront it personally?
Are you really that heartless, not to say "cheap"? Do you really believe we live in a healthy society, ot that, if not, that it isn't well within our collective power to improve the situation, and that, until we do , we can't say we're "living the American dream"?
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The best social program ever is a system of economic liberty featuring capitalism and free enterprise operating under a system based on the rule of law. No program, private or public, has ever done so much to raise so many from the depths of poverty and despair as has capitalism.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself as to our concern for those in despair...look at how many in desperation have come from other nations to this country looking for that opportunity provided....the chinese migrated years ago in south east asia, and they now control various economies there, the south of the border friends of ours are doing the same thing, starting on the fringes and working their way across the nation. Nobody is keeping one down that wants to succeed...takes hard work, and an attitude that you want to pull oneself out of the desperation. Now thats one of the greatest success stories you will see in the USA, where the immigrants of this country are coming in and turning in their "have not" lives into "haves"....and it didn't take government to make that "living the American Dream" happen. |
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". . .private accounts don't fix the solution; . . . they make the solution more ATTRACTIVE to the individual. . ."
GWB, at a press conference today, speaking [?] of possible Social Security reform measures.
Fortunately, viewers are reminded, now, of the risky nature of the Wall Street gamble.
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Oh, I forgot; insert between the president's two phrases:
(. . .blank, glassy-eyed, frozen stare. . ). = LIAR!
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Again, when they're in trouble, they bring out the"big guns." This one must be going south badly; I don't remember "First Dragon" Barbara Bush being pushed up on stage before, in GWB's reign, to "sell it"; she sounds genuinely pleased to have "worked the room" (of gullible seniors?) like a pro -- she may have been out of circulation a little too long. . .?
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/03/18/national/w084230S61.DTL
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