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 Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: American States, Name Design: Egyptian, Greek, Babylonian |
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Virtually 100% of the following information is contained in every library in the United States, and/or, on the internet. However, I am not an academic or scientist, only an interested researcher of history...believe what you want to believe! The following plausible translations are an expansion of my earlier articles on this subject…
Most of these translations are found in the amazing book...
An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, by Wallis Budge, 1920, reprinted by Dover Publications in 1978. "AEHD"
Master List...
Alabama
Arkansas
California
Connecticut
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Ken-tucky
Massachusetts
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Ohio
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Wyoming
Other names…
Lenni Lenape
Biblical theory, William Penn, 1683
Chicago
Minneapolis
Argo, Illinois
Elyria, Ohio
Man-hattan
Ramapo, New Jersey
Ramsey, New Jersey
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Detailed Listing…
Alabama
Allah m'bah: ...In the presence of God, "God is here", Allah is here....
note: Allegheny... Family of Allah...or Ella, or Ea... could be Babylonian, Judaic, Egyptian, Sumerian, or all of the above.
Arkansas (Alexander or later-?? Xerxes II)
Arksantrs (Alexander the Great) Macedonian time frame, pg. 942, AEHD...
Meri Amen setep-en-Ra Arksantrs...
(see also page 941... Artakhashassha...)
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/4701/alexanderpg9422gv.jpg
California... Caliph or Kalifa or H'alifa... Islamic/Moorish, possibly introduced by Spanish, possibly introduced before Spanish...
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ISLAM/CALIPH.HTM
Connecticut
Ka-nekht-qa-shuti, referring to Amen-hetep IV (page 1260) Kah-neh-ka-tay-qua-shoo-tee. also listed on page 933 under the name Nefer-khepheru-Ra Ua-en Ra, Amen-hetep IV
There are at least 20 similar references to the prefix...Ka-nekht-, all referring to the Rameses, Seti, Amenhetep, Thothmoses time-frame of Egyptian history.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5991/kanekattapg6zc.jpg
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/1673/kanekahtequa0ah.jpg
The "Ka-ne-kah-te-qa" prefix appears to mean... "Strong Spirit, Divine Chief", or "Divine Chief Proclaimer"...and in a stretch... "Divine Chief of Karnak"...
Idaho...Idho Yid tree, Yew tree!
http://www.logon.org/english/s/p039.html ...(Yew, or Idho)
http://www.iit.edu/~phillips/personal/lore/treelett.html ......(Yew, or Idho)
http://altreligion.about.com/library/texts/bl_ogham.htm?terms=celtic+runes+alphabet
Illinois...Hellenes, Elianas, Greek
http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Hellenes.html
Related to more ancient Babylonian/Sumerian/Judaic Ella, Ea, illa, and more modern... Allah...
Indiana (Babylonian?)
Ennanna http://www.talkaboutscience.com/group/sci.lang/messages/338237.html
...or...
Inanna http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/myths/texts/inanna/ts94.htm
http://inanna.virtualave.net/inanna.html
Iowa ...Iua ...Jah the Great ....Judaic/Egyptian
http://www.theosophical.ca/Book5AncientEgypt.htm
Kansas
"Khashaiarsha"...Xerxes... 27th Dynasty...
(author's note, compare with Arakansas entries...) pg 941, AEHD
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5669/xerxes1fr.jpg
Ken-tucky, could have many meanings... one very plausible example is Kheniu-River tribe..."four pillars of heaven"; or "Khen Ta", another early name of Horus; "Ka-yen-na-ta", related to "Garden land", much like "Canaan". "Tuck" relates to "river".
Massachusetts
Mastiu...the thigh of the Great Bear constellation... may be related to the circumpolar stars in the North night sky... within the Ursa Major constellation...
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/4240/mastiu3wp.jpg
Michigan
Mashkan -Judaic, Babylonian "Temple of Life"
http://www.vizin.org/projects/mashkan/html/mashkansetting.htm
note: Michigan-Superior name combination, and Michocan-Chapultepec (Aztec Mexico), and Mashkan-Shapir (Babylon-Iraq)
Missouri
Mesu Ra ...birthplace of the Sun God, Ra...
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/9466/mesura1dm.jpg
Mississippi
Cippi of Isis, or Cippi of Ra-meses, or Cippi of Moses: Shrine of various Gods
"sippee" example... (Yahoo search "Cippi")
http://www.touregypt.net/horus.htm …..(Horus)
Ohio
Uaiu, Oahu, Ohio various possible meanings...
...uau "stream or watercourse"...page 145, AEHD
...Uai... a title of Apep, the snake, may refer to the "standing snake", i.e., tornados
...Uaiu...associates of Apep... page 145
...Uauaiu...a tribe or people... pg 146
...Ua..."the one", a title of Ra, Osiris, Amen and other Gods... pg 154
http://img288.imageshack.us/img288/2598/ohiopg1466jk.jpg
Tennessee
Tanis or Tanus "Sia" ....wisdom, power, knowledge, and protection of Tanus
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/RTGpix5.htm - Sphinx image from Tanus...
Texas, Tchaus, Tay-kas
This title/name appears around the world...
Texas (Amerindian), Tchaus (Egyptian), Taishe (Japanese), Tai shou (Chinese), Teacher (English) Texcaca Mexico, Teshekoku (Chicago), Titicaca Peru
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/9669/texaspg8961mf.jpg
Utau .... Egyptian
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/gate/gate18.htm
Wyoming... "wa yah" "attending spirits"
http://www.lib.uidaho.edu/mcbeth/journal/missionhx.htm
...I am a little thin on exact Egyptian connections...Wyoming is very close to Judaic "yah-weh" or Egyptian "Ya-weneg", "Moon God, son of sun god" (theory).
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/yah.htm (Yah)
http://touregypt.net/godsofegypt/weneg.htm (weneg)
Greek contributions
...There are many other clues I do not have time to list, but I believe the East coast Amerindian tribal name of "Lenni Lenape" follows the Greek naming convention... "Hellenic people of Leontopolis" Note: "Leontopolis" was the "city of Lions, in the Delta area of ancient Egypt.... Lenni Lenape.
Biblical theory, William Penn, 1683:
"For their original, I am ready to believe them of the Jewish Race. I mean, of the stock of the Ten Tribes, and that for the following Reasons; first, They were to go to a Land not planted or known, which to be sure Asia and Africa were, if not Europe; and he that intended that extraordinary Judgment upon them might make the Passage not uneasie to them, it is not impossible in it self, from the Easter-most parts of Asia, to the Wester-most of America. In the next place, I find them of like-Countenance and their Children of so lively Resemblance, that a man would think himself in Dukes-place or Berry-street in London, whe he seeth them. But this is not all, they agree in Rites, they Reckon by Moon; they offer their first Fruits, they have a Kind of Tabernacles; they are said to lay their Altar upon twelve Stones; their Mournings a year, Customs of Women, with many things that do not now occur."
William Penn's Own Account of the Lenni Lenape or Delaware Indians,
edited by Albert Cook Myers, 1971.
Chicago also could be Te-she-ko-gu, or something similar, as seen on old maps…
note also... The "Onion", Indian reference to Chicago, referred to the Moon God -similarity to the "onion". Also Oneonta, related I believe to "Cape Onion" of Athens. On-yah-ne-ta, could also be the Egyptian "First God, Moon God", or "One God Moon", in my guesstimation. And, an "onion" looks like a full moon.
Minneapolis, the "Political state" of the Minneans.
Minnesota may be an expansion of this Minnean presence, or it may be related to the Egyptian word/name... Menhesau (ta) pg. 303, AEHD…”a group of Gods who watched over the South.”
note also: Pearia Mountains of Greece..."Peoria, Illinois"
Argos, first mythical King of Greece... "Argo, Illinois"
Elyria, Ohio.... the Illyrians
Pegausset tribe, Bridgeport, CT ...The Pegasus, horse of Zeus
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellations/Pegasus.html
Hopatcong, Netcong, Musconetcong, New Jersey: I believe these names are related to the original Delphi muse: Hopat, Netes, Metes, the three strings of the original Lyre. Note, these locations are relatively near the present day city of... Phila-Delphia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse
"In Delphi three Muses were worshipped as well but with other names: Nete, Mesi and Hypate which are the names of the three chords of the ancient musical instrument lyre."
Netes: http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QuantaHTML/plaintext/ka.txt
(edit-find "hypate")
Other place names of interest…
Mutiny of the Priests and Warriors...18th Dynasty...
It was during the "Akhenaten" moment of history, within the 18th Dynasty, that the Aten Sun God was solely revered, causing an internal revolt of the Generals and priests, who then destroyed and expelled the legacy of Aten, returning to the reverence to "Amun". In further evidence of this, Tutankamun's original name was Tutenka-aten, in reverence to the Aten Sun God, only to change his name to Tutankamun, in reverence to "Amun".
note; Man-hattan may follow this historic, linguistic moment of history... because it appears to be named after the God of fertility "Min", or the lion Goddess "Menhit", under the authority of Aten...
Min (somewhat risqué)
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/min.htm .... (Min-a-Aten)
Menhit
http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/1egypt/ ....(Menhit - Aten)
Question: Were the refugees of the post-Ahkenaten revolt, the settlers of Manhattan?
Another interesting item, is the alleged son of Rameses the Great, around 1260 BC... and the emergence of this charismatic figure... Seti the Navigator, for which I have found very little material...
http://www.alternatehistory.com/shwi/Dynastic%20Egyptian%20South%20Africa.txt
Ramapo, New Jersey
...In close proximity to Connecticut and Manhattan, we have Ramapo, New Jersey...and the Ramapo Indian tribe...
Rhampsinitus, King of An (Heliopolis)...Rameses III, page 317, AEHD...
Full name: User-maat-Ra II meri Amen Rameses
http://www.bibliomania.com/0/5/188/553/8506/1/frameset.html
...which is next to Ramsey, New Jersey, ....
...which is next to Paramus, New Jersey... the definition of which I found at one time and cannot relocate, under the name composition of ....Per....Rameses...... which I believe was shortened to "Paramus". Per Rameses means…”house of Rameses”.
My conclusion...
All races and cultures were in the United States, thousands of years before Columbus, and they have left boatloads of evidence, for which 1000 authors before me have published their own observations.
A concentration of Egyptian names from the 18th to the 21st Dynasty indicates contact between ancient Egypt and the Americas, probably due to the efforts of the son of Rameses II, named "Seti the Navigator".
This particular "navigator" was only one of many inter-continental visits by the ancients, which included Babylonian, Greek, Judaic, Indus-Indian, Chinese, and Polynesian contacts.
Another famous navigator not mentioned here is the Irish monk, Brendan the Navigator, of 558 AD.
Note: I am tabling these “possibilities”, not claiming them to be absolute fact, although in my heart, I know most of them are valid occurences and translations.
Of course, most of the world believes the Western Hemisphere disappeared for 10,000 years, without any outside contact or influence.
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| Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: Canadian Names, Plausible Egyptian Origins |
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Probably repeating myself...
The following names were derived from An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, by Wallis Budge, 1920. Even he admitted to “adding vowels” where it seemed appropriate, because vowels were not written down until the Greek era of 750 BC or so.
Layers and Layers of Guesswork...
So Wallis took many educated interpretations, from many previous authors, who guessed at unknown or vaguely defined Egyptian hieroglyphics, translated them into French or English of the time (19th Century), added vowels at his own experienced perceptions of the names, and I am translating them into my own interpretation of 21st Century American.
I am convinced that these “Amerindian names” originated in Egyptian language, but I am not convinced that my interpretation is the correct interpretation, or the only interpretation. In fact, I don’t believe that the exact translation will come in any of our lifetimes. I do believe that one of my sons, or some bright college students out there will take up the baton where we have left off...proving me wrong...or maybe even right!!!
Canada page 558...Garden Land
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2460/kahnata5oj.jpg
Quebec page 768...Egyptian Goose God
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7641/quebec1ct.jpg
Saskatchewan page 620 .... Radiance of Amun Ra
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1218/saskat23gf.jpg
Manitoba pages 274 and 824...Land of the Setting Sun
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1474/manutoba5bi.jpg
Toronto page 884 and 884...two interpretations...Jackal God or Goose God (?)
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/2385/toronto1yn.jpg
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Egyptian-Nahuatl (Mesoamerican) Linguistic Connections |
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Still not proof, but amazing, interesting articles....
Egyptian and Nahuatl (Aztec Mexico era)
http://www.earthmatrix.com/linguistic/nahuatl.htm
Egyptian, Mediterranean, Asian origins of Amerindian languages
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifi.htm
Mormon version of linguistic origins… Egyptian, Asian
http://www.mormontopics.com/new_findings/nahua.htm
Navajo, Navadjo... Asian origins....
Wake Forest University, Dept. of History, PO Box 7806, Winston-Salem, NC 27109
unknown authors...
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifi.htm
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifii.htm
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifiii.htm
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifiv.htm
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifv.htm
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifvi.htm
http://www.wfu.edu/~cyclone/tifvii.htm
A closer look at the Uto-Aztec connection
"Shoshoni = Shan-Shan, the Tarim-Oasis town and kingdom whose Chinese name changed to Navadjo with the Tibetan conquest 663 A.D. Shoshoni identified themselves by that vicinity though 12 centuries later they could remember only that they came from "beyond the setting sun." Since they had known their natal city as Shan-Shan they departed it in or before 663.
Navajos identified by the same vicinity but as Navadjo. Ethel followed up the labors of Emil Pettitot published 1876-89 to trace a long, perilous escape of Navajos and other Uighur-Turkish-speaking Athapaskans of the southern Tarim basin whom the Xi-Xia emperor had conscripted into his army which Genghis Khan defeated 1227, to the Amur mouth, whence they sailed to America 1233 with kidnapped Tungus wives.
IF UNIQUE CHIMU Chan Chan of northern Peru should derive from Shan-Shan also, it culminated a slower migration than Shoshoni by a southern instead of northern route. Rectangular high-walled compounds of this 12-sq.-mi. city founded in the 12th century on the north side of the Moche mouth replicate Sui Chang-an as rebuilt to specifications of the great architect/engineer Yu-wen Kai [Arthur Wright 1978] and also Shan-Shan as the Sui bade Samarqand chief Kang Yen-dien rebuild it c.600 A.D. [Stewart 1991]. Tarim-oasis irrigation enabled 30,000 population at Chan Chan on the Peruvian desert, where an annual bean race to the Moon Temple [Gerdt Kutscher 1949] paralelled the Pueblo Bonito race to the temple atop Mesa Verde. Founders of Chan Chan began their exodus between 600 and 663 (before Shan-Shan's name-change), perhaps extending the failed expedition Sui Emperor Yang-di sent to pacify Liu-chiu Islands 610 or perhaps at the fall of the dynasty 617, maybe at the Tibetan conquest 663. (Liu-chiu in Sui times apparently designated all islands in the East China Sea, not just Formosa.) Incas destroyed Chan Chan in the 15th century. "
Thank you Wake Forest!!! Who wrote this amazing article???
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| Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: Alaska, Connecticut, Hawaii, Kansas, Nebraska, Oregon |
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Alaska
Connecticut
Hawaii
Kansas
Nebraska
Oregon
Alaska Allah ska “in commemoration of Ea, Ella, aaa-yah, Allah”
As many ancient cultures had this “Allah”-God reference, we can only speculate to the Babylonian, or Sumerian, or Egyptian, or Judaic, or Muslim originations, all of them meaning Divine God… Compare this Allah Ska with Nepra Ska mentioned later, and Allah M'ba mentioned earlier.
The “ska” (or skha) suffix apparently means… “in praise of” or, in commemoration of…the suffix syllables.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5903/skaii1.jpg
pg 615, An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, AEHD, W. Budge
Connecticut, alternative. Khentkaues
In my first part, I gave the most plausible explanation for Connecticut as being the prefix title of “Ka-ne-kah-te-qa”, referring to a title of Pharaohs. There is an important alternative explanation in a much earlier reference to a female Queen of the Fourth Dynasty of Egypt, who bridged both the upper and lower portions of Egypt, called Khentkaues. From this very important Queen, the Pharonic Kings of 1000 years later could have been titled…
http://san.beck.org/EC4-Egypt.html ....(six page-downs)
After Menkaure the Fourth Dynasty began to disintegrate. Shepseskaf hastily finished and furnished Menkaure's pyramid but only had a rectangular sarcophagus built for himself at Saqqarah. The bridge to the new dynasty seems to have been Queen Khentkaues, whose title means either "king and mother of Upper and Lower Egypt" or "mother of two kings of Upper and Lower Egypt." She was the wife of the first king of the Fifth Dynasty, Userkaf, who adopted the title Son of Re and supported the sun god cult of Heliopolis. Userkaf's mother was the daughter of Redjedef, and a prophecy had said that Redjedef's son would become high-priest of the sun-god Re at On (Heliopolis).
Hawaii Hu-ahuaa (Egyptian) Ogygia (Greek) Aheuhuetla (Aztec)
Egyptian Hawaii
Hu-ahuaa…pg. 469, AEHD, by Wallis Budge, 1921
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2228/hawaiibi1.jpg
There are many plausible Egyptian translation equivalents, but I aimed at any of the holiest references, (example Hu-ahuaa, “a magical name”, pg 469 AEHD, Wallis Budge) especially reflecting an isolated island which would reflect the Babylonian/Egyptian myths of creation…”in the middle of the vast ocean, earth-life began…” Even the native Hawaiian pronunciation of “Hah-wah-ee Ki” is very close (in my theory) to the God of creation “Gaia”, which could be pronounced… “Wi –yah”, and very close to the transposed Judaic “Yah-weh”. The chief priest of the Hawaii Ki islands was the “Kah-hoo-na”, very close to the “Co-hen” of the Judaic Tribes, and the “Khan” of the Persian tribes, and of course, the “King” of the Anglo-Saxons. While I am positive on many of my translations, I am “very close” on this translation, and will leave future history students to improve on my Egyptian translation guesswork for “Hawaii”.
Greek Hawaii…Ogygia
http://www.fjkluth.com/calypso.html
"Apollodorus says that Calypso is one of the daughters of Atlas and bore Odysseus a son Latinus. …The Odyssey seems to make her the goddess of her island, Ogygia. Asia and Europa were similar Oceanids but their territory was much larger. Her island was strangely idyllic with gardens, forests, and fountains. "
Note: I theorize that the Aztec/Conquistador equivalent of “Hawaii” is Ahuehuetla, “Place of Ahuehue”, which I also believe refers to the Greek-Calypso myths of “Ogygia”. Ahuehuetla is an island in the Lake of Texcoco (Divine Chief Osiris), south of Tenochtitlan (Goddess of Nox/Nyx Night in the Underworld), part of the Valley of Mexico (Muse Spirit Gods) saturated with ancient Greek, Egyptian, Babylonian, and Judaic reference names and iconic symbolism (future article).
Kansas alternative. "Khensu-sa-Tehkit”. My first reference was to a Xerxes naming association… "Khashaiarsha"...Xerxes... 27th Dynasty. There is a plausible earlier, more spiritual reference for which Xerxes himself could have been named, and that is in reference to Tehoti, Thoth, the most ancient Moon God Divine Chief (Tchaus-Texas)… "Khensu-sa-Tehkit”, pg 553 of AEHD.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7192/kansassu9.jpg
Nebraska Nepra ska aka Neper, Nepri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neper_%28mythology%29
Nepra was the grain God, also associated with the “Corn God” of Egypt, (there is speculation that the Egyptians were/were not aware of the corn plant and product…I say they were intimately aware of all South American plant products, given the Egyptian naming conventions throughout the western hemisphere)
Nebraska
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6272/nebraskaum9.jpg
pg 369, AEHD, Wallis budge
Nebraska and Missouri
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6904/nebraskamissouriti5.jpg
pg 321, AEHD
The “ska” (or skha) suffix apparently means… “in praise of” or, in commemoration of”
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5903/skaii1.jpg
pg 615 AEHD, W. Budge
Oregon Huacan Hurricane As a strong clue, and discussed earlier among my Aztec research, the very important “double temples” of the Valley of Mexico contain the suffix-name “Huacan”, i.e., Coyo Huacan, Shimal Huacan, Teoti Huacan, which I also believe is related to the ancient Hyksos “Huyuk” suffix when referring to a temple, i.e., Catal Huyuk, and Alaca Huyuk. (for map, scroll three page-downs)
http://- abuse alert -.com/tree/anat/hittite.html
In more modern times among the Aztecs and Amerindians, this “Huacan” name for the Temple of God…was adopted for the fiercest manifestation of God in the ancient world, the “Hurricane”, for which the coast of Oregon and Central Americas are known. With some caution, I am suggesting that “Oregon” of modern times is the Huacan, Hurricane, Temple of God in Nature…or something to that effect.
Example…
http://www.flyfishingfotography.com/oregon_coast_storms_new_002.htm
Note: I don’t believe the official version…”Oregon: State of the Union, and a county in Missouri. The name said to have been derived from Origanum, a species of wild sage found along the coast in the State, but another authority states that it is derived from the Spanish Oregones, which name was given the Indian tribes inhabiting that region, by a Jesuit priest, the word meaning "big-eared men."
http://www.sacklunch.net/placenames/O/Oregon.html
Future generations will improve on these translations, and I encourage them to prove the obvious, what 1000 authors before me have written about for the last 500 years… “All major cultures were here before Columbus”, and, "The western hemisphere did not disappear for 12,000 years as we have been told in our history books."
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: American Indians originated from Egypt, Greece, Babylonia |
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Architorture...I did not make myself clear. Every dime I ever made, and every dime I will ever make, I would bet on the GUARANTEE that the tribes we call "Native American Indians" are Egyptian in origin, or Greek, or Babylonian, or Greek, etc.
The ancient legends of the "underworld", and the "otherworld", and the land of the Phares/Fairies, and the "land beneath the Waves", and the Chinese "Fusang", are in fact ancient references to the western hemisphere.
PS...Of the multitude of ironies to me has been the lack of believable maps of the ancients showing the western hemisphere.
After deep research and years of speculation, I am proposing that the "map" of the Western Hemisphere of the ancient Athenian Greeks was the bizarre legend and statue of Atlas, who is depicted among the classical Greeks "holding up the world". Very little, I believe, is written about Atlas, as you may know.
I am proposing that the left arm of Atlas is Baja, the right arm of Atlas is Florida/Cuba, the head of Atlas is Yucatan, the lower body is South America, the upper world is Central and North America, starting with Mexico on his left shoulder.
The instructions to ancient Athenian navigators would be the following...
Get past the "Pillars of Hercules" at Gibralter, travel south to the Azores or Canaries, or whichever island group you want to depart from. Follow the counter-clockwise, hurricane wind-path, "the trade winds", on a track as close to the Tropic of Cancer (for night navigation), with the rising sun at your back, setting sun at your front. Two sand timers will tell you if you if your daytime track is north or south of this point, I believe, comparing night duration and day duration.
The Tropic of Cancer today exactly splits the Florida/Cuba isthmus, and would take a sailing ship straight towards Mexico, which the ancients called... "ombligo", the "umbilical", the belly button of the world, which is generally the center of the Western Hemisphere.
That simple. No paper map. Just the memory of the Statue of Atlas carrying the world, and from there, they could instruct where remote outpost locations were, including the mysterious "Nysa", never identified in modern times as to its exact location, which I believe is "Tenochtitlan", Goddess of Darkness/Night/Nox/Nyx, in the Tat-land, Underworld.
Reasons for secrecy? Everybody was fighting everybody. There were very few countries and empires, and a multitude of city-states and tribal fiefdoms. You did not tell your neighboring city..."We know of a place of gold and silver and turquoise and gemstone and tin and spices." How long would that secret last?
Even the priestly class did not tell the peasantry what was going on.
Name me a native Indian tribe, and I will try and find out the Egyptian meaning and possibly even the city state where they came from...
Examples...
Parsippany, New Jersey.... Persephone, Greek myth- corn goddess
Commac, Long Island.... Cormac, the Irish King
Syosset, Long Island.... Sausset, Egyptian Book of the Dead, I believe...
Siwanoy tribe, Greenwich Connecticut... Silenoi, Greek Horse demons
Ojibway, Sioux... Geb, Egyptian Goose God, of the Shu-sky-air theology, I believe (are there any Geese in the Dakotas or Minnesota?)
Patomic...Patomi, River in Greece
Now for even deeper theory, as mentioned on another thread, I am proposing that what the Templars found in ??? 1137 under the Temple of Solomon, was the ancient trade and navigation routes to/from the west.
I am also re-thinking the Marco Polo exploits, who in 1215 claimed to have sailed to "China". Might he have in fact sailed to the Western Hemisphere, which by the way, was already populated by Chinese, as mentioned by Christopher Columbus to the Pope 275 years later?
Bottom line, the Western Hemisphere did not disappear for 12,000 years.
Any culture with ocean-going capabilities made the trip...everybody was here...very few made the trip back...but that was also done.
Native Americans came from everywhere, and world trade of the ancients has been proven, with DNA migrations showing Asian/African influences in the ancient Americas.
This is a 100 year study lesson...My grandchildren may be able to prove these simple theories. I probably cannot prove this to anyone, but I am at least putting the ideas onto the table for review.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: Re: American Indians originated from Egypt, Greece, Babyloni |
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Ojibway, Sioux... Geb, Egyptian Goose God, of the Shu-sky-air theology, I believe (are there any Geese in the Dakotas or Minnesota?)
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Nice stretch but Ojibway and Sioux are white man European words for the tribes. The Ojibway, aka Ojibwe and Chippewa, refer to themselves as Anishinaabe meaning original people. The Sioux is a derogatory white man term. They are Dakotah. The Dakotah did live on the plains where there were geese in the flyway path but the Anishinaabe, totally different tribe, lived in the mostly geeseless forest. |
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i have to agree with davydd here...
you seem to have forgotten ed that most "native american names" have been europeanized and were spelled using an alphabet and serious of sounds and word construction that was entirely alien to the native american people...
no native population had a written language in the sense that the europeans had a written language so they couldn't have very well given the europeans a piece of paper with the appropriate spelling and pronunciation of the words they were using...
so obviously since european written languages have a heritage that reaches back to egypt and ancient greece then obviously the work constructions that europeans would have created to emulate the names used by natives would have some kind of connection back to these ancient roots...
i'm sorry but i think your theory is stretching too far and forgetting the realities of what 'native' names for places really were... |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: Notes on Egyptian Origins |
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David and Architorture and to all...
It is almost like a philosophical word play..."No one knows the explicit truth, therefore who can claim one person is correct in pronunciation, and another person is incorrect in pronunciation?"
My son in Los Angeles wrote 7 or 8 native American tribes, asking for the explicit pronunciation of various names... he received only one reply, that of..."Nobody knows exactly for sure our original pronunciation, but we think it is close to - nice flowers -".
Yet there are persons who passionately claim that they are right, and others are wrong, all the while they themselves are not sure!
Think of the logic of your comment...
"no native population had a written language in the sense that the europeans had a written language so they couldn't have very well given the europeans a piece of paper with the appropriate spelling and pronunciation of the words they were using... "
Then how can you or David, give me a valid pronunciation of "Anishinaabe"?
You are absolutely correct in the anglicized mutations of native american names. BUT, I accept "Anishinaabe" as a real phonetic pronunciation of the original name, unless you know different, which you might! Why can't it have Egyptian origins? Why can't it have Greek origins?
Or did the Christian and French missionaries ALSO write down both the slurs and the original names as best they could using the English, French, and Spanish character sets? And hasn't the pronunciation been carried down, independent of those translations, by the various tribes?
Another note on the Sioux suffix, which is a fairly common Egyptian suffix...
(taken from another contribution of mine, another website, on the same subject...)
"I have researched the book An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, by Wallis Budge and have come up with some interesting results...
the ...."tiu" ...shu suffix means many things, such as "follower of - nice flowers -", or "fighter of - nice flowers -", or "god of - nice flowers -". One famous example of this is the name Maatiu Picchu, which in Egyptian means... "those who speak the truth (Maat-shu), in praise of Ra (Picchu)".
There are also "Shu"-similar names, such as
Saiu, "Guardians", pg 586
Suau, "Group of Gods", pg 649
Shau, "good luck", cult of Osiris pg 724
Shesu, "nomads of desert", pg 752
Shesu, "soldiers", pg 751
Sau, "tetrad of divine souls in Tuat", pg 642
Su, guards, protectors pg 648
But the main, most positive, and common usage of the Suffix-name-"Shu", is as a reference to the ancient God of the air "Shu"...
Examples....
Baen Shu, soul of Shu, pg 198
Per Shu, house of Shu, pg 242
Urshu, class of divine beings in service of Shu, pg 175
Usekhet Shu, Hall of Shu, pg 183
Hensu, Blossom of Shu, pg 488
Ar-t Shu, Eye of Shu, pg 68
Anker Shu, Anher + Shu, pg 57
Seshem Shu, Sun God at sunrise, pg 700
Khensu-Shu, Moon God of Edfu, pg 553
Seshu, form of "Set", pg 622
What does this prove? Maybe nothing, maybe something, yet! In my own mind, I am highly confident that the "Shu" suffix is an ancient reference to either Shu, the air god, or Set, both Egyptian Gods
You raise valid concerns, and an interesting challenge... let me find the Egyptian hieroglyphic or Greek origin, or plausible equivalent of the name "Anishinaabe".
But I am not trying to convince you that I am right, or that you are wrong.
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i'm simply saying that in the vary same way that the general european alphabet cannot very well be used to embody languages that are not based upon that particular set of sounds and those particular rules of word construction that are foreign to that system... such as the modern languages of chinese or swahili... the same goes for the natives...
there is no european way of writing the 'clicks' that are found in certain aftrican tounges and many of those of a european tounge simply cannot replicate those sounds without very intense training...
i think part of the problem you are seeing today with native peoples not being able to say for certain how their words were originally pronounced is b/c those very people adopted the european alphabet and rules of word construction...
although the native peoples did not create a written language of their own they immediately recognized the advantage of such a system and quickly adopted it... they used the rules of european languages to create a written set of their own words...
so in that way they ultimately changed their language over time as the rules of the european language overcame the original pronunciation... the language changed from purely passed down by word to passed down and taught by a written word which had known and established rules. |
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Oh my gosh! The Quechua language of the native ancestors of the Incans in Bolivia and Peru is a click sounding language as well. So if African languages have clicks and they are close to Egypt, well...?  
But seriously, there are a lot of DNA tracings going on for genealogy. African Americans can trace almost to the tribe their family originated going back more than 200 years. Is there any support for this in those tracings? Native Americans are presumed to have come from Asia through a bridge across the Bering Strait long before languages had the influence as proposed here. |
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also i believe i have seen some snippet someplace talking about the tracing of native americans and that some current thinking believes that the population of the americas could easily have been attained with only a relatively small group of people passing over the landbridge...
within a millenium those people could have spread from alaska to chile... i'll have to try to find the specifics of those numbers but i know they are out there...
considering DNA though it should be relatively easy to trace such a small original group... mitochondrial DNA is only passed down from the mother's side so if a group is isolated well enough, such as the original americans, it should be easy to work back through their mitochondria to pin point their mitochondrial great grandmother...
also if the americans came from egypt or greece how exactly did they get there...and if it was by sea why was all of that knowledge immediately forgetten and left undeveloped once they arrived in the americas. by all accounts there were not any native people who had ocean going vessels...
not to mention that the greeks and egyptians themselves seemed to have difficulty enough getting around the mediterrean with its calm waters and close shores...how would they have handled the atlantic with its alternating currents and dulldrums... |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: All valid concerns, but be cautious... |
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You have raised valid academic and historical concerns.
Names are dangerous to be locked into.
New York Yankees, or Bronx Bombers, or Sultans of Swat? Same sports team.
Frappe, milk shake, or black and white? Same chocolate ice cream milk drink, different parts of the country.
Big River, Connecticut River. Same river.
Take for example, the tribes known as the Iroquois Confederacy. They are also knows as Hodennoshee. Some say the Iroquois name is a slur...I say it is not.
I did some prior research on both these native American names, and found plausible Egyptian translations for both in the same book, An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary...
"Hodennoshee name ...one translation caught my eye...
Huit Antiu page 469. As vowels were not "invented" until 750 BC by the Greeks, we can only guess as to how it is pronounced..
Whoo-ee-tee-ann-shoo .....or even... Huu-ee'-tee-aa-na'-shoo
This is another title of Sekhmit, the blood-thirsty lion Goddess, who had three primal forms, and was revered in three locations. Sekhmet was considered the "powerful Goddess", the Goddess who destroyed humanity...
Note: The "nee" suffix is common to many languages and names showing..."family of", "son of", "daughter of", as I understand it... such as... Maloney, Terrazini, etc.
This "Sekhmet" association is extremely interesting to me, because another area tribe, the Pequots, can plausibly be the "Pekhats" of ancient Egyptian mythology. Try "Pekhat" on Yahoo, to understand the relationship to Sekhmet. These were not "Cinderella, pushover" tribes, they were blood-thirsty warriors among the other tribes, or certainly portrayed themselves to be, not to be trifled with.
And of course, we have Massa-pequa which I translate to be..."Warriors of Sekhmet", the lion goddess, almost identical to Mashuntucket-Pequot."
Anishinaabe...I have found in the last 24 hours some plausible Egyptian translations of Anishinaabe and Ojibway which I am organizing to share with you. It is no slam dunk, but amazingly close in my book. Net-net, the Anishinaabe name appears to probably related to Shu or an even more ancient mythological God/Goddess. The name I gave earlier "Ba-en-Shu" could be coupled with the reference to "guardians" and protectors "abu", or could be related to the East Wind of the horizon...to create the complete name/title...
"Ba-yeh-neh-shu-a-yah-beh".
"......A....ni...shin..a..a...be"
No, not a slam dunk, but close. There are 5 or 6 plausible meanings, all related to the divine Gods, Shu, Horus Ra, Set, Apep, and the Venus Dog Star.
For a curious lookup, try "Anpao +Lakota" for the amazing resemblance of the Greek/Roman/Egyptian "Anpu", the Venus Dog Star which greeted the rising sun.
Anpao Wichahapi -Lakota
http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/lakota.htm
"Paula Giese, a Lakota student at Sinte Gleiska, discusses these constellations because she feels that Lakota Star Knowledge only deals with the spring stars. She mentions a few others of importance: Arcturus is said to be variously either Iktobu (going toward), or Wichapi Sunkaku (Morning Star's younger brother), or Oglechkutepi (Arrow game), or Ihuku Kigle (it went under). It has a special relationship to Anpao Wichahapi (dawn star, Venus.) "
Wikipedia, Egyptian Anpu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis
"Anubis is the Greek name for the ancient jackal-headed god of the dead in Egyptian mythology whose hieroglyphic is more accurately spelt Anpu (also Anup, Anupu, Wip, Ienpw, Inepu, Yinepu, or Inpw). He is also known as Sekhem Em Pet. Prayers to Anubis have been found carved on the most ancient tombs in Egypt; indeed, the Unas text (line 70) associates him with the Eye of Horus. Anubis is the ruler of the underworld."
And Quebec, having the Egyptian similar name Qebak, Egyptian Goose God, page 768, related I believe to "Ojibway"
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7641/quebec1ct.jpg
When I get the pages all scanned for "Anishinaabe" and "Ba-yeh-neh-shu-a-yah-beh", I will present it here.
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okay well if it is based on linguistics purely there should be some even better evidence...
for example if there were some particular animal or plant that can be found both in egypt or greece and in north and south america... something such as an evergreen tree...
they would have been known to the greeks and to those in the americas... linguistically anyone coming from greece would immediately recognize an evergreen as an evergreen when they arrived in the new world...
so the question is, what is the greek or egyptian word for evergreen and what is the native american equivalents... if they are vastly different then i would think the words were probably developed independently of one another... |
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Ed,
No doubt you are doing a prodiguous amount of work word associating, but I can't help thinking about the fun comments people make about putting a thousand monkeys at keyboards and eventually coming up with a great novel. You are searching and associating words that are in essense all translations. To me it is pure speculation and chance coincidence when you find associations. Other than word association what other evidence is there? |
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